I don't think those (and there are quite a few of them) doing DTMF with INFO 
will abandon it at this late date...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Burger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 5. syyskuuta 2007 16:09
> To: Bram Verburg
> Cc: sip
> Subject: Re: [Sip] INFO
>
> SIP-T suffers *all* of the issues with INFO.
>
> Read section 3.3 for the 'right' way of doing SIP-T.
>
> That said, let's be real: I don't think anyone will abandon
> SIP-T at this late date.  Although this really is a counter
> example, I would liken this to the story in:
> http://www.snopes.com/history/american/gauge.htm
>
>
>
>
> On 9/5/07 4:56 AM, "Bram Verburg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> That is the point of the draft.  All of the uses of INFO
> today have
> >> alternatives that do not have the same problems.
> >>
> >> In fact, I am really thinking the draft should point out
> the use of
> >> INFO for SIP-T is also incorrect.  SIP-T should use a control
> >> channel, not the "SIP"
> >> channel, for transporting proprietary signaling.  The only thing
> >> SIP-T does is re-create TCP over SIP.  Not a very useful
> use of SIP.
> >
> > I don't think that's a fair assessment of SIP-T, since you
> seem to be
> > ignoring the fact that SIP-T also (primarily) uses other
> methods than
> > INFO.
> >
> > The encapsulation of 'proprietary' signaling is done to convey
> > information that cannot currently be conveyed in pure SIP.
> But other
> > than that, within the VoIP domain the regular SIP dialog
> model is used
> > to establish and tear down sessions. SIP headers take
> precedence over
> > the contents of the ISUP/Q.931 message, so the 'tunneled'
> message is
> > only used to fill in some blanks at the receiving end. For the most
> > part proxies and even user agents can safely ignore the
> message body
> > and still participate in the SIP dialog.
> >
> > Some ISUP/Q.931 messages arrive at a stage in the session where SIP
> > doesn't define any interaction between UAs, so currently
> INFO is used
> > as a tunnel. If you believe it should be replaced by something less
> > ambiguous, that won't be abused outside the scope of SIP-T the same
> > way INFO is today, I guess that's fair enough. But saying
> that SIP-T
> > should use TCP tunnels instead seems a bit harsh.
> >
> > Bram
> >
>
>
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