Yeah, I'd say putting sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];user=phone in From
(or anything "on-the-wire") is very appropriate.

I don't think we are disagreeing actually. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:05
> To: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055)
> Cc: Dan Wing; [email protected]; Juha Heinanen
> Subject: Re: [Sip] E.164 - who owns it
> 
> 
> 
> Francois Audet wrote:
> >  
> >>> Agreed.
> >>>
> >>> Cutting to the chase, I'd put the following on my business card:
> >>>
> >>> tel: +1-408-495-2456
> >>> sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Interestingly, that doesn't indicate that you are 
> reachable via sip 
> >> using the numeric address.
> > 
> > Yes, I did that on purpose. I don't see a point in doing it.
> > 
> >> A sip caller given the tel might figure that out, but 
> might not. If 
> >> you had user enum, and the caller used it, then all is 
> well. But if 
> >> not, and if the caller just blasts the tel uri to his SP, it may 
> >> figure it out, and may not.
> >>
> >> You are going to ask why the caller would use the tel form in that 
> >> case.
> >> One reason would be because the UI of the device only supports 
> >> numeric input.
> > 
> > So, a SIP user (or anybody young enough to prefer IM 
> paradigm to phone
> > paradigm) will use sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 
> > The old luddites with a PSTN-looking phone will keep on 
> dialing digits 
> > on their phone. That's where the Tel URI is useful.
> > 
> > The niche market for sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];user=phone is very 
> > small. Beyond people on this mailing list, I really don't see who 
> > would care. I really believe that practically speaking, 
> > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];user=phone
> > is meant to be used "on-the wire" as opposed to by users.
> > 
> > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]                   ~= http://www.att.com
> > sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];user=phone ~= 
> > http://www.att.com/gen/landing-pages?pid=3308
> > 
> > I think we are rat-holing on imaginary issues.
> 
> Perhaps. The above is a bit esoteric. A more realisic issue 
> is what to put in From, where at the moment you can't put 
> multiple choices. So I have to choose whether to cater to the 
> luddites or the young. (I'm not young, but I don't think I'm 
> *quite* a luddite. Just saddled with a lot of legacy stuff I 
> don't have the option of changing or am too cheap to change. 
> (I *am* cheap.))
> 
> At least with P-A-I you can put both a sip and a tel. The 
> alternative being explored on this list of including both in 
> normal sip signaling would solve that.
> 
>       Paul
> 
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