I haven't physically had the time to upgrade to beta 4, so obviously
I was unaware of the escape key being taken away.
Excellent.
Larry
At 10:13 AM 6-22-2008, you wrote:
>Have you even tried? hitting the escape key in a call? If you have with
>skype4, you'd know, there is no reason for your concern. it's already taken
>out. It no longer does that.
>
>Chris.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Larry Gassman" <lgsinger at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "a list for discussing skype and its use with screen access software."
><skypeenglish at emissives.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:58 AM
>Subject: Re: [Skypeenglish] scripts for beta 4
>
>
> > Well, as long as everyone seems to be playing programmer regarding
> > the beta, I wish that once again we could get rid of the escape key
> > when ending a call. Yes, I know that I can go in and script for
> > this, but it is very aggravating when speaking to someone and you hit
> > the escape key and they disappear.
> > If we're going to make comments about what we like and do not like in
> > Beta 4 with regard to accessibility, then I'll ad my comets about the
> > escape key once again.
> > Thanks.
> > Larry
> > At 08:00 PM 6-21-2008, you wrote:
> >>Pardon my replying in mid-post format instead of top-posting like we
> >>normally do on lists populated primarily by blind people. I'm
> >>forwarding this entire message to a Skype guy who's currently sitting
> >>across a table from me in a Hilton hotel bar. <grin>
> >>
> >>On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 07:03:10PM -0700, jim grimsby Jr. wrote:
> >> > I would first like to start out by commending doug for excellent work
> >> > on
> >> > the new scripts. You are simply amazing getting a beta version of the
> >> > scripts out only three days after the initial release of Beta one is
> >> > quite
> >> > impressive.
> >>
> >>They were actually out on the same day as the beta release, but I'm
> >>afraid that wasn't as amazing as you might think. I started work on
> >>these weeks ago. <smile>
> >>
> >> > That being said I would like to say a few things about the Skype beta
> >> > itself.
> >> > I will try to keep most of my comments on accessibility concerns since
> >> > that
> >> > is the purpose of this list.
> >> > Skype has switched from a multiple window system and multiple tab
> >> > system to
> >> > a multiple pain system.
> >> > This being said, the standard keyboard command for switching between
> >> > panes
> >> > is F6 to move forward by pain and shipped F6 to move backward by
> >> > pain.
> >> > They should implement jumping to pains with control and the number
> >> > keys.
> >> > With all of the available panes appearing in the view menu.
> >>
> >>There are only two panes. The left pane is where the Contact list or
> >>the Conversation list appear, whichever you choose. Skype natively
> >>lets you type Alt+1 or Alt+2 to show and focus Contacts or
> >>Conversations in that pane, respectively. I changed those to Ctrl+1
> >>and Ctrl+2 to keep from conflicting with the normal Alt+numbers for
> >>reading chat messages, and I am encouraging Skype to make that change
> >>internally. The View menu also has options to switch between Contacts
> >>and Conversations, but again, those are two lists in the left pane,
> >>only one of which shows up at a time. My recommendation, based on
> >>yours and on what's already being done, is that F6 and Shift+F6 be
> >>implemented because they are standard pane-switching commands, but
> >>that Ctrl+numbers *not* be assigned to jumping to specific panes, as
> >>they have better uses.
> >>
> >>If more than two panes can exist in Skype 4, I don't know it but that
> >>might change my recommendations a bit.
> >>
> >> > The context menu shortcuts should be changed to mean something useful.
> >> > For
> >> > example, when in the context pane and you right click on
> >> a contact all of
> >> > the items for sends spell out the word send. Sorry this is not
> >> > intuitive. If I want to send an instant message, the intuitive
> >> > shortcut
> >> > would be i. if I want to send a person a file the intuitive shortcut
> >> > would
> >> > be f, and so on.
> >> > We have the same problem in the menu bar with three items starting with
> >> > the
> >> > letter C. all of them having the shortcut of c.
> >> > Let the shortcut for Paul be the letter a. Let the shortcut for
> >> > conversation be the letter C. and let the shortcut for contacts be the
> >> > letter o.
> >>
> >>Agreed: (1) each shortcut must be unique to make them useful, and (2)
> >>they should be assigned mnemonically, not aesthetically. Standard
> >>shortcut assignment rules are to pick the first available letter for
> >>each option, but this was causing problems of consistency before, like
> >>Alt+O for Options changing to Alt+P when an item was added above
> >>Options in the Tools menu, and View Profile in Context menus being V
> >>in some and W in others. I therefore propose that a mnemonic
> >>assignment, once assigned, not change as new menu items are
> >>added--particularly when the already-assigned item is frequently used.
> >>
> >> > Put the change your mood text back in the profile menu. After all,
> >> > you
> >> > have add video to my mood. So why not a change your mood text menu
> >> > item?
> >>
> >>Agreed.
> >>
> >> > Remove duplicates
> >> > For example in the options dialog there are two places to configure
> >> > sound
> >> > and video. They do the same thing one place for this configuration is
> >> > enough.
> >> > Another thing is there is an option to set privacy in the skype menu
> >> > this
> >> > can already be done within the options dialog so having this menu
> >> > option is
> >> > pointless. I am sure you get the idea.
> >>
> >>I don't care one way or the other on this, but I suspect
> >>business/marketing forces drive where menu items appear sometimes. I
> >>would consider this a low-priority issue.
> >>
> >> > In the skype menu you have the option called presence. Short
> >> cut again is
> >> > p.
> >> > And then you have the option called profile, and guess what the short
> >> > cut
> >> > is p. change presence back to change status. Short cut of s put
> >> sign out in
> >> > that sub menu where it belongs.
> >> > Put change pass word in the profile section where it
> >> belong. Remove the buy
> >> > credit menu option it is a link in the account section and there for
> >> > not
> >> > needed in the skype menu.
> >> > Put share skype with a friend in the contacts section. After all you
> >> > are
> >> > sharing it with him in Oder to contact him right?
> >>
> >>A lot of ideas there, but again, I think we're up against business
> >>decisions, and I would not urge high priority on these items.
> >>
> >> > Rename the tools menu to options.
> >> > Rename the options dialog to preferences.
> >>
> >>I do not think this is a good idea because the existing names have
> >>been around for a long time and people are used to them.
> >>
> >> > More exselorator keys.
> >> > Like create new contact control+n.
> >> > Preferences control+p. etc.
> >> > Or as I said in the past the ability to set global hot keys and local
> >> > ones.
> >> > With defaults set and turned on.
> >>
> >>The extra accelerators would be helpful, yes. To explain local vs.
> >>global hotkeys for the benefit of those who never saw that discussion:
> >>"Global hotkeys" are what we have now. "Local hotkeys" would only
> >>work when a Skype window is in focus. I thought this would be too
> >>confusing for most users, but I'm forwarding the idea for others to
> >>ponder.
> >>
> >> > Doug take these ideas and forward what you think will be helpful
> >> and discard
> >> > the rest as usual.
> >>
> >>Doing so directly. I will not often do things quite like this, but
> >>since I am actually out here with Skype developers in person, it seems
> >>to make sense this weekend. :-) Btw, pardon any typos, I'm typing
> >>this over the top of some fairly loud music and conversation.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Doug Lee dgl at dlee.org
> >>SSB BART
> >>Group doug.lee at ssbbartgroup.com http://www.ssbbartgroup.com
> >>"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them
> >>to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum
> >>
> >>Thanks for posting to the skype english list. To access scripts for
> >>the latest version of skype go to
> >>http://www.dlee.org/skype
> >>To access tutorials and other goodies go to
> >>http://www.marrie.org/skype/skype.html
> >>thanks and have a wonderful day.
> >>
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> >
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