On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Harish Mallipeddi <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Part of the problem with Opensource software vs. Apple software is that the
> Opensource community doesn't have the right people. Apple has UI Interaction
> engineers, designers, etc because they hired them to do that job
> specifically and this really shows in their UI. Most KDE apps look like the
> UI was "designed" (more like "assembled" rather than "designed") by the
> developer strictly as a one-to-one mapping between the underlying feature
> and one UI widget. That sucks! The Opensource community predominantly has
> hard-core programmers who don't care a lot about these "soft" elements which
> is what is required to create great consumer facing apps.
>

predominantly, yes. Although the exact percentage i wouldnt know... Certain
projects shine out as being particularly good in the UI department.
Enlightenment, for example. Although u may differ in ur opinion.


I was a long-time Linux user - used Linux pretty much throughout my time at
> NUS. I switched to a Mac about an year back. Bought an iPhone (1st gen) when
> it came out. Frankly I would have done this much earlier but I didn't have
> money to do so as a student :)
>

I would have considered switching myself (and did for one time considering
switch my main machine (server-wise is a different story, of course!) due to
work issues ;)). But after dealing with unexplainable suspend-resume
problems, and silly lock-ups that could only be solved by a hard reboot.. I
realized that i still like the idea of total control and visiblity better :)
Now one may argue about the practicality of that last point, but trust me -
between me and the open source world.. I think we're getting there.


> Linux on a desktop is not that far-fetched. But one thing seriously led me
> to switch to a Mac - configuring dual-screens and getting that setup to work
> without restarting KDE/GNOME in Linux is a hassle. Cummulatively, I think
> I've wasted 2 weeks of my life doing just that. The same thing is true with
> Linux on a phone. I had the Qtopia GreenPhone with me for a while. The phone
> had the most hideous UI ever. Compiling custom kernels was cool and all, but
> it wasn't useable as a regular phone!
>

:) yeah, i can empathize. Now about that phone... you *had* it with you, so
u dont have it anymore?


> Linux and Opensource software will never get to the Apple standards unless
> designers, interaction engineers join us. Maybe companies like Redhat or
> SuSE can help out here by hiring them initially. But they probably won't
> because they care more about their server market because that's where their
> money is.
>
> So until then, I would give up my principles and whore myself to Apple.
> Thank you.
>

hm.

Nice summary, btw, Ray. I think u more or less summarized the
opensource-and-freedom-aware person who switches to the mac.

-jf

--
In the meantime, here is your PSA:
"It's so hard to write a graphics driver that open-sourcing it would not
help."
-- Andrew Fear, Software Product Manager, NVIDIA Corporation
http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228
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