But is it automated?? The PayPal subscription is fully automated. The client clicks on my button once, puts in their PayPal info, and bammo...monthly payments all automated and great records electronically that can be downloaded into any format including quicken.
Plus the client can use ANY payment method (any credit card or debit card or checking account). Works well for now. Sully -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hokenson Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Could not regain association Why don't you sign up for a Costco Merchant Credit Card account? Lot lower fees and you can bill anything to it you want. Our billing system just extracts the stats from Radius and the routers and charges the bandwidth costs at the end of the month.... JH ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:59 PM Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > I sell my equipment to the users...this is substanitially less cost up front > for me. Imagine how long it would take to get back my money if I had to pay > for 50 client units (or hopefully more soon). > > I sell the unit to them for $349 plus $150 to install it. That is pretty > much a wash all the way around for up front costs. > > And like you said...I feel that most clients will not swap over to cable or > dsl being that they already paid me $500...as long as they are getting fast > and reliable service. My rates are cheap enough. > > I use PayPal for ALLLLL money transfers including the automated monthly > subscriptions. This does not lend itself to a "pay per bit" billing system. > The only change in billing is when a client exceeds their usage...then I > send them a PayPal bill. Easy and painless. NO NEED FOR A BILLING > DEPARTMENT!! Sure it is 3% per transaction...but I dont care. It is worth > it. > > Will your MicroTik do autothrottling if a user hits a max cap?? > > Sully > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:50 PM > To: The Wirefree Network > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > > > All they need to do is purchase a $60 soho broadband router then their > 10 computers will look like one computer to you. > > There is NO way you can control how many computers they have on your > service. Sure you can prevent them from using more then one direct > connected to the net but then all they need to do is get a bb router > or turn on ICS and the rest of them will be able to get on.. > > Don't charge more for more computers. charge for the amount of data > instead. Encourage them to have lots of computers. Sell them a > broadband router cheap. Then charge them per bit used. > Give them say 5gig of transfer per month and charge them $5 per gig > over usage. > > But back to the point no you can not prevent them from getting more > then one computer online more then basically hijack their computer and > you keep administrative control over it.. Just charge for more usage > instead. Also be sure to lock them in under a contract basis and keep > owner ship of the equipment that way if they want to move to cable > later on if they are still under contract with you they will have to > pay to get out of the contract and you get back your equipment and can > redeploy it. > But also if you sell them the equipment at cost that tend to make the > loyal because they don't want to "waste" that $300 investment to > purchase another $100 investment for a cable modem to switch service. > > Best regards, > Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com > Phone : 620-231-7777 Fax : 620-231-4066 > - Your Full Time Professionals - > eBay UserID : macahan > --- > searchable smartBridges mailing list archive. > http://www.mail-archive.com/smartbridges40part-15.org/ > -- > TWN> Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPoChris...You and I are in the same boat. > I, > TWN> too, charge for small networks over single computers. $39.95 for one > TWN> computer and $69.95 for 2-6 computers (residential prices) with 1 Gig > and 2 > TWN> Gig transfers per months, respectively. > > TWN> To tell you the absolute truth....I am freaking disgusted by my clients > TWN> "cheapness". <-- its a word. Our homes range from $400k to $550k...so > TWN> these people have money. > > TWN> When I put an add on their doorstep, they call me up in almost tears > (of > TWN> joy)....saying..."FINALLY...FINALLY....HIGH-SPEED INTERNET WHERE WE > LIVE...I > TWN> WILL PAY ANYTHING." My service is unthrottled 1.5 Meg up and down. > So...my > TWN> prices are WAY lower than what I could be charging. But...it is all > part of > TWN> my business plan. I want to be around for the long haul. Not just > rape > TWN> them for a few months...then DSL or cable modem access moves in and > they all > TWN> switch over. > > TWN> So...back to my "cheap customers"...anyway....once it comes down to the > TWN> actual selection of the service plan (39.95 or 69.95), they all turn > into > TWN> freaking cheapos. URGGGHHHH...I hate it. They will say stuff like, > "Well, > TWN> Yes... I have 5 computers in my home...but can I just pay $39.95 if I > just > TWN> use one at a time?" Or...my favorite straight up lie, "I only need the > TWN> $39.95 account because we will only use this one computer for > Internet." > TWN> You know DAMN WELL that they are going to spoof that MAC into their > router > TWN> and be smiling like they made one over on me. > > TWN> I am seriously thinking of installing VPN clients on each "PAID" > computer > TWN> that will only allow THAT computer Internet access. But even then...I > bet > TWN> there is some easy way around it. For example, using Windows XP "Share > TWN> Internet Connection" option. > > TWN> Anyone have a way to stop this?!??!?! > > TWN> Sully > TWN> -----Original Message----- > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phantam > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:31 PM > TWN> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > TWN> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > > > TWN> As far as I can tell I have yet to see a SB slip a MAC of a client > behind > TWN> it through, im glad for this mac nat or whatever u'd like to call it, > TWN> because its easy to do management on it, and I don't have to worry > about the > TWN> clients changing there dumb network cards. HOWEVER it kinda sucks when > I > TWN> normally charge more for multiple computer networks and I can't tell if > TWN> someones scamming me with a router or a switch L but oh well its kewl > its > TWN> still limited at the sb mac > > > > TWN> Chris > > > > > TWN> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > TWN> -- > > TWN> From: The Wirefree Network [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 3:42 PM > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > TWN> Just finished replacing one of the 3 bad units. This is what I found > TWN> out...and probably how I will test my units prior to deployment from > now on. > > > > TWN> I logged into the unit with my laptop. I then noticed that I was > TWN> associated. So...I did a "reset" with simpleMonitor. It lost > association > TWN> and did not regain it. So, I hit "reset" again and it associated. I > then > TWN> tried this several times. 2 out of 3 times it WOULD reassociate, but > that > TWN> 3rd time it would never regain assocation. I tried continuous pings to > the > TWN> AP and to the GATEWAY with no help. It would not regain association > unless > TWN> I hit "RESET" a couple times. > > > > TWN> I just wanted to provide this info to everyone as a way to check your > TWN> units prior to deployment. Could save a few bucks with replacement > labor. > > > > TWN> Here's a question: > > TWN> 1. Way back when, the airBridge units used to pass the MAC address of > the > TWN> internal NIC. Therefore, you had to have the internal MAC in your > TWN> authorization table (not the sB unit). So...here's my question...Now, > with > TWN> the new firmware, is it possible that the internal MAC is showing up at > the > TWN> AP (sometimes) and being rejected? I only put the sB unit MAC in my > TWN> authorization table. > > > > TWN> Just an idea.... > > > > TWN> Sully > > > > > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark P. Sullivan > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:14 AM > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPo > > TWN> Thanks for the info. But, you have to agree that this is NOT > TWN> acceptable. You cant possibly ask the customer to do this everytime?? > > > > TWN> Sully > > > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Blood > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:07 AM > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPo > > > > TWN> I have recently found that with some of the units the don't want to > TWN> reassociate I can turn them off for five to ten minutes then turn them > back > TWN> on and they then work great. Not sure why this works but it did for 3 > of my > TWN> customers this last week. The tuff part of this trick is just sitting > there > TWN> doing nothing for 10 minutes to see if it will work. > > > > TWN> Kind Regards, > > TWN> David > > > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark P. Sullivan > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:49 AM > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > TWN> Subject: [smartBridges] Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPo > > TWN> Well...thought I would keep everyone posted on my numbers. > > TWN> As of last weekend, we went from 30 to 45 units off a single > aPPo. I > TWN> actually have 30 units directly off my head-end aPPo (one of which is > the > TWN> repeater) and 15 more off the repeater. The latest 15 are all > airBridges. > TWN> We are pulling about 1.2 Gig per day through the head-end (500 meg of > which > TWN> is from the repeater clients). > > TWN> 1. I did the bulk update with the latest simpleNMS and > changed > TWN> RTS/CTS and FRAG to 1496 and 100 on all client units (not head-end). > This > TWN> was a pretty cool feature. However, twice within 1 day ALLLL my units > lost > TWN> association and I had to reboot my head-end aPPo to get them back. > TWN> So...needless to say, I changed the RTS/FRAG settings back to default. > No > TWN> problems since. > > TWN> 2. I used simpleDeploy to burn ALL new customers. I then > hot > TWN> tested them for a minimum of 24 hours prior to deployment with none of > them > TWN> blinking an eye. Out of the 15 deployed, I have 3 units that are > losing > TWN> association and not getting it back. I have had the customer do a > power > TWN> reset by pulling the plug, factory default reset, etc, etc....but no > luck. > TWN> Oddly enough, one of the 3 units just came back online this morning > with no > TWN> assistance. Pretty darn flakey! Note: all the units could be pinged > from > TWN> the wired side and logged into (but DEAD on the wireless side). Now I > am > TWN> going to go do some climbing and replacing. > > TWN> Side Note: My head-end aPPo which has been online since Dec 25th > 2003 > TWN> is going down hill quick. The symptoms are this: > > TWN> 1. About 3-4 times a week, the unit becomes unresponsive on > the > TWN> Ethernet side while still passing traffic (hard reboot). > > TWN> 2. The RTS/FRAG thing mentioned above really had me shaking > in my > TWN> boots (reset to default). > TWN> 3. I have been working with sB for a while on this flakey > aPPo, > TWN> and I am now struggling with EC to get a replacement unit before this > one > TWN> dies. > > TWN> I think that sB is awesome. They are VERY responsive and have > even > TWN> phoned me personally to resolve issues. All my units previously > deployed > TWN> are working wonderfully. 3 out of the latest 15 have not. That > doesn't > TWN> look good, but I am sure they are getting to the bottom of it. Maybe > it is > TWN> a bad simpleDeploy release?? > > > > TWN> Sully > > -- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
