Yes, it's all automated. Rodopi does everything (as would Billmax and Platypus (sp?) and probably some others.
We have not set up debit cards, but take Amex, Discover, Visa & MasterCard. Since most everyone with a checking account gets a debit card that is Visa or MC, it's really not a problem. And yes...we take cash and checks as well. JH ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > But is it automated?? The PayPal subscription is fully automated. The > client clicks on my button once, puts in their PayPal info, and > bammo...monthly payments all automated and great records electronically > that can be downloaded into any format including quicken. > > Plus the client can use ANY payment method (any credit card or debit > card or checking account). > > Works well for now. > > Sully > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hokenson > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 9:41 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > > Why don't you sign up for a Costco Merchant Credit Card account? Lot > lower > fees and you can bill anything to it you want. Our billing system just > extracts the stats from Radius and the routers and charges the bandwidth > costs at the end of the month.... > > JH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Wirefree Network" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 8:59 PM > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > > > > I sell my equipment to the users...this is substanitially less cost up > front > > for me. Imagine how long it would take to get back my money if I had > to > pay > > for 50 client units (or hopefully more soon). > > > > I sell the unit to them for $349 plus $150 to install it. That is > pretty > > much a wash all the way around for up front costs. > > > > And like you said...I feel that most clients will not swap over to > cable > or > > dsl being that they already paid me $500...as long as they are getting > fast > > and reliable service. My rates are cheap enough. > > > > I use PayPal for ALLLLL money transfers including the automated > monthly > > subscriptions. This does not lend itself to a "pay per bit" billing > system. > > The only change in billing is when a client exceeds their usage...then > I > > send them a PayPal bill. Easy and painless. NO NEED FOR A BILLING > > DEPARTMENT!! Sure it is 3% per transaction...but I dont care. It is > worth > > it. > > > > Will your MicroTik do autothrottling if a user hits a max cap?? > > > > Sully > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson > > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 7:50 PM > > To: The Wirefree Network > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > > > > > > All they need to do is purchase a $60 soho broadband router then their > > 10 computers will look like one computer to you. > > > > There is NO way you can control how many computers they have on your > > service. Sure you can prevent them from using more then one direct > > connected to the net but then all they need to do is get a bb router > > or turn on ICS and the rest of them will be able to get on.. > > > > Don't charge more for more computers. charge for the amount of data > > instead. Encourage them to have lots of computers. Sell them a > > broadband router cheap. Then charge them per bit used. > > Give them say 5gig of transfer per month and charge them $5 per gig > > over usage. > > > > But back to the point no you can not prevent them from getting more > > then one computer online more then basically hijack their computer and > > you keep administrative control over it.. Just charge for more usage > > instead. Also be sure to lock them in under a contract basis and keep > > owner ship of the equipment that way if they want to move to cable > > later on if they are still under contract with you they will have to > > pay to get out of the contract and you get back your equipment and can > > redeploy it. > > But also if you sell them the equipment at cost that tend to make the > > loyal because they don't want to "waste" that $300 investment to > > purchase another $100 investment for a cable modem to switch service. > > > > Best regards, > > Eje Gustafsson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The Family Entertainment Network http://www.fament.com > > Phone : 620-231-7777 Fax : 620-231-4066 > > - Your Full Time Professionals - > > eBay UserID : macahan > > --- > > searchable smartBridges mailing list archive. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/smartbridges40part-15.org/ > > -- > > TWN> Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPoChris...You and I are in the same > boat. > > I, > > TWN> too, charge for small networks over single computers. $39.95 for > one > > TWN> computer and $69.95 for 2-6 computers (residential prices) with 1 > Gig > > and 2 > > TWN> Gig transfers per months, respectively. > > > > TWN> To tell you the absolute truth....I am freaking disgusted by my > clients > > TWN> "cheapness". <-- its a word. Our homes range from $400k to > $550k...so > > TWN> these people have money. > > > > TWN> When I put an add on their doorstep, they call me up in almost > tears > > (of > > TWN> joy)....saying..."FINALLY...FINALLY....HIGH-SPEED INTERNET WHERE > WE > > LIVE...I > > TWN> WILL PAY ANYTHING." My service is unthrottled 1.5 Meg up and > down. > > So...my > > TWN> prices are WAY lower than what I could be charging. But...it is > all > > part of > > TWN> my business plan. I want to be around for the long haul. Not > just > > rape > > TWN> them for a few months...then DSL or cable modem access moves in > and > > they all > > TWN> switch over. > > > > TWN> So...back to my "cheap customers"...anyway....once it comes down > to > the > > TWN> actual selection of the service plan (39.95 or 69.95), they all > turn > > into > > TWN> freaking cheapos. URGGGHHHH...I hate it. They will say stuff > like, > > "Well, > > TWN> Yes... I have 5 computers in my home...but can I just pay $39.95 > if I > > just > > TWN> use one at a time?" Or...my favorite straight up lie, "I only > need > the > > TWN> $39.95 account because we will only use this one computer for > > Internet." > > TWN> You know DAMN WELL that they are going to spoof that MAC into > their > > router > > TWN> and be smiling like they made one over on me. > > > > TWN> I am seriously thinking of installing VPN clients on each "PAID" > > computer > > TWN> that will only allow THAT computer Internet access. But even > then...I > > bet > > TWN> there is some easy way around it. For example, using Windows XP > "Share > > TWN> Internet Connection" option. > > > > TWN> Anyone have a way to stop this?!??!?! > > > > TWN> Sully > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phantam > > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:31 PM > > TWN> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > TWN> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Could not regain association > > > > > > TWN> As far as I can tell I have yet to see a SB slip a MAC of a > client > > behind > > TWN> it through, im glad for this mac nat or whatever u'd like to call > it, > > TWN> because its easy to do management on it, and I don't have to > worry > > about the > > TWN> clients changing there dumb network cards. HOWEVER it kinda sucks > when > > I > > TWN> normally charge more for multiple computer networks and I can't > tell > if > > TWN> someones scamming me with a router or a switch L but oh well its > kewl > > its > > TWN> still limited at the sb mac > > > > > > > > TWN> Chris > > > > > > > > > > > TWN> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----- > > TWN> -- > > > > TWN> From: The Wirefree Network [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 3:42 PM > > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > TWN> Just finished replacing one of the 3 bad units. This is what I > found > > TWN> out...and probably how I will test my units prior to deployment > from > > now on. > > > > > > > > TWN> I logged into the unit with my laptop. I then noticed that I > was > > TWN> associated. So...I did a "reset" with simpleMonitor. It lost > > association > > TWN> and did not regain it. So, I hit "reset" again and it > associated. I > > then > > TWN> tried this several times. 2 out of 3 times it WOULD reassociate, > but > > that > > TWN> 3rd time it would never regain assocation. I tried continuous > pings > to > > the > > TWN> AP and to the GATEWAY with no help. It would not regain > association > > unless > > TWN> I hit "RESET" a couple times. > > > > > > > > TWN> I just wanted to provide this info to everyone as a way to > check > your > > TWN> units prior to deployment. Could save a few bucks with > replacement > > labor. > > > > > > > > TWN> Here's a question: > > > > TWN> 1. Way back when, the airBridge units used to pass the MAC > address > of > > the > > TWN> internal NIC. Therefore, you had to have the internal MAC in > your > > TWN> authorization table (not the sB unit). So...here's my > question...Now, > > with > > TWN> the new firmware, is it possible that the internal MAC is showing > up > at > > the > > TWN> AP (sometimes) and being rejected? I only put the sB unit MAC in > my > > TWN> authorization table. > > > > > > > > TWN> Just an idea.... > > > > > > > > TWN> Sully > > > > > > > > > > > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark P. > Sullivan > > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:14 AM > > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPo > > > > TWN> Thanks for the info. But, you have to agree that this is NOT > > TWN> acceptable. You cant possibly ask the customer to do this > everytime?? > > > > > > > > TWN> Sully > > > > > > > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Blood > > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:07 AM > > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPo > > > > > > > > TWN> I have recently found that with some of the units the don't > want > to > > TWN> reassociate I can turn them off for five to ten minutes then turn > them > > back > > TWN> on and they then work great. Not sure why this works but it did > for 3 > > of my > > TWN> customers this last week. The tuff part of this trick is just > sitting > > there > > TWN> doing nothing for 10 minutes to see if it will work. > > > > > > > > TWN> Kind Regards, > > > > TWN> David > > > > > > > > TWN> -----Original Message----- > > TWN> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark P. > Sullivan > > TWN> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:49 AM > > TWN> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > TWN> Subject: [smartBridges] Now have 45 customers on 1 aPPo > > > > TWN> Well...thought I would keep everyone posted on my numbers. > > > > TWN> As of last weekend, we went from 30 to 45 units off a > single > > aPPo. I > > TWN> actually have 30 units directly off my head-end aPPo (one of > which is > > the > > TWN> repeater) and 15 more off the repeater. The latest 15 are all > > airBridges. > > TWN> We are pulling about 1.2 Gig per day through the head-end (500 > meg of > > which > > TWN> is from the repeater clients). > > > > TWN> 1. I did the bulk update with the latest simpleNMS and > > changed > > TWN> RTS/CTS and FRAG to 1496 and 100 on all client units (not > head-end). > > This > > TWN> was a pretty cool feature. However, twice within 1 day ALLLL my > units > > lost > > TWN> association and I had to reboot my head-end aPPo to get them > back. > > TWN> So...needless to say, I changed the RTS/FRAG settings back to > default. > > No > > TWN> problems since. > > > > TWN> 2. I used simpleDeploy to burn ALL new customers. I > then > > hot > > TWN> tested them for a minimum of 24 hours prior to deployment with > none > of > > them > > TWN> blinking an eye. Out of the 15 deployed, I have 3 units that are > > losing > > TWN> association and not getting it back. I have had the customer do > a > > power > > TWN> reset by pulling the plug, factory default reset, etc, etc....but > no > > luck. > > TWN> Oddly enough, one of the 3 units just came back online this > morning > > with no > > TWN> assistance. Pretty darn flakey! Note: all the units could be > pinged > > from > > TWN> the wired side and logged into (but DEAD on the wireless side). > Now > I > > am > > TWN> going to go do some climbing and replacing. > > > > TWN> Side Note: My head-end aPPo which has been online since Dec > 25th > > 2003 > > TWN> is going down hill quick. The symptoms are this: > > > > TWN> 1. About 3-4 times a week, the unit becomes > unresponsive > on > > the > > TWN> Ethernet side while still passing traffic (hard reboot). > > > > TWN> 2. The RTS/FRAG thing mentioned above really had me > shaking > > in my > > TWN> boots (reset to default). > > TWN> 3. I have been working with sB for a while on this > flakey > > aPPo, > > TWN> and I am now struggling with EC to get a replacement unit before > this > > one > > TWN> dies. > > > > TWN> I think that sB is awesome. They are VERY responsive and > have > > even > > TWN> phoned me personally to resolve issues. All my units previously > > deployed > > TWN> are working wonderfully. 3 out of the latest 15 have not. That > > doesn't > > TWN> look good, but I am sure they are getting to the bottom of it. > Maybe > > it is > > TWN> a bad simpleDeploy release?? > > > > > > > > TWN> Sully > > > > -- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
