A second SB off another AP?  With MT you could load balance between
them.....

JH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Thanks for your support and the patience


>
> We have had an AirBridge Outdoor on a building rooftop now
> for about 4 months. It serves 2 businesses out of that building
> one of which has about 8 Terminal Service clients that connect
> from California. We've been very pleased with the reliability
> and price points of the SmartBridges equipment, and we look
> forward to other business clients from that building signing
> up. Now I wont say that we wont be making sure we have some
> kind of backup connection in place for them, but that's just
> covering your ass.
>
> The cardinal rules of being a WISP,
>
> "Every install is different."
> "Every environment is different."
> "Find what works best in that particular situation and use it."
>
> Kevin Summers
> KISTech Internet Services Inc.
> www.kistech.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Damron
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Thanks for your support and the patience
>
>
> I know this has been said already, but according to Smart Bridge, their
> equipment is "Carrier Grade"  That is a rather heafty claim, as they don't
> work worth a shit for residential even.  Most folks I know who are WIPS's
> will purchase a couple of pieces of equipment and test them.  I would not
> put an Airbridge of anykind on a business customer!!!!!
>
> Scott
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Ray
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Thanks for your support and the patience
>
>
> Brian, I'll buy your airbridges at a substantial discount since they don't
> work.
>
> Regarding the business clients you lost, that sucks big time!  But, you
> really should have looked at using different equipment to keep them on.
If
> you are charging them $300 per month for a connection they should get
> something more than your residential customers (i.e. more reliable
> equipment).  Most businesses we deal with can and will pay a premium for
> higher quality service, we would provide them with Trango gear, although
> this is more due to the spectrum than anything.
>
> At some point *WE* must take responsibility for loosing customers.  You
> know, "shaft me once, shame on you, shaft me twice, shame on me."
>
> Ray
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Winters
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 9:13 AM
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Thanks for your support and the patience
>
>
>
>
>
> July 20, 2003
> I can appreciate the fact that SmartBridges is frustrated. I can also
> appreciate the fact that they are working hard to resolve the problem and
> that it blindsided them or what have you. However, this is a serious
problem
> that I personally have been dealing with for well over a month. (Check the
> very first post on the subject when Mike and I posted the problems about
the
> indoor bridges) The fact of the matter is, whether its their fault or not,
> this "situation" has seriously impacted our business and lost us thousands
> of dollars. Today I am prepping for a climb that will be the 4th such
climb
> on this tower to replace yet another defective Airpoint Pro. My tower
> climber charges me an EXCELLENT rate of $1 per foot but this unit is at
the
> top of a 250ft tower so you do the math. Aside from that we have now lost
2
> very important business customers whose monthly billing was about $600
> between the two of them. Add up $600/mo and multiply by 36 months and see
> what that number is.
>  More importantly however, we have lost credibility with our customers
> because we have been unable to fix the problem. Our service is seen as
> un-reliable and our reputation has been very negatively affected. And all
of
> this through no fault of our own. To make matters worse, we now have 25
> bridges in stock that we are afraid to deploy because we can't even get a
> MAC address list of the affected products. I can understand how this
> situation sucks for all involved, but the fact of the matter is, when we
> purchase a product from a manufacturer and it doesn't work, it doesn't
> matter whose fault it is. The sticker on the side of my radios says
> SmartBridges and therefore it's their problem. I can't believe how
everyone
> is saying that is great they are trying so hard to fix the problem, Its
not
> great, it's a problem that never should have happened in the first place.
> The way I see it, defective chip or not, there should be a level of QC in
> place that doesn't allow 4,000 bad units out the door.Period. Aside from
> that, this new "fix" seems more like a crapshoot than a solution and given
> my luck, I probably won't get a single unit to work with the new firmware.
> I have been one of the main supporters of SmartBridges products (my
picture
> is even on the front page of their website) but this leaves a bad taste in
> my mouth. If you take the money I have spent fixing this problem and add
to
> it the lost business and reputation issues, I could have deployed Alvarion
> and actually saved money. (How many units could I lease for $600/mo that I
> lost with my two business customers?) Plus, I would be sitting at home
with
> my family right now instead of posting in utter frustration on a support
> forum at Noon on a Sunday. My phone rings every 25 minutes and I haven't
> slept in weeks, so I don't really care whose fault it is or how hard they
> are working on a solution, this situation is going to be very hard to
> recover from.
> -Brian
> P.S.  I have 25 airbridges for sale if anybody wants them.
> Best regards,
>
> Brian W Winters
> President/CEO
>
>
> (502) 863-1709 Tel
> (502) 863-1841 Fax
> www.mybfe.com Broadband For Everyone
> 138 East Main St
> Georgetown, KY 40324
>
>
>
>
> Email that means business, Every email, Every day - LetterClick BrandMail
T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Nish Park
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 3:43 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [smartBridges] Thanks for your support and the patience
> Thanks guys for the support and the kind words. I will pass it on to the
> team. I am sure they will appreciate it.
> Yes it is kind of frustrating. Right now all the energy (yours and ours)
is
> all going on non-value-add stuff. And that too it happened right in the
> midst of some good QA improvement tools we had put in place. It is all
> overshadowed for the moment. I guess we will have to first plough through
> this mess before the other improvement stuff becomes more visible to you.
> We were kind of broadsided with this issue. We keep asking ourselves if
> somehow we could have prevented it. And we can not think of a way. It's
kind
> of one of those things where all the "correct" things have come together
in
> a certain way to have an "incorrect" product. Fortunately it is a well
> contained problem affecting small numbers.
> The issue has been identified. Solution has already been put in place in
the
> factory. So from that perspective this is a closed issue.
> Now the challenge is to work with all of you to figure out the least
painful
> solution for the products out in the field. We believe the Firmware
upgrade
> will provide that solution. I think we are very close. The root issue of
> "lost association after some time" is CONFIRMED to be solved with the new
> Firmware. Currently it seems to be working for 60% to 70% of the users. So
> it releases a lot of pressure with this issue.
> Some users are reporting their devices are not able to associate at all
> after the firmware upgrade. We are investigating the issue and trying to
> replicate. It looks like some minor thing that we must be overlooking. So
> hopefully soon we will have that nailed down also.
> Again thanks for your support and the patience to put up with all these
> difficulties. We look forward to re-engage with all of you in high gears.
> Nish
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Ray
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] New Firmware not working for me
> I too am very impressed with all the staff at SB!  They are dedicated,
> honest, hardworking, and I trust them.  I can only imagine that they are
as
> frustrated as us with these issues.
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: The Wirefree Network
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] New Firmware not working for me
> Ya..Chris.I agree.  However, I have been a beta tester for them since Dec
> 02.not just a regular client.  I have been providing very detailed reports
> and I am used to receiving some word??
> That's what has me worried at the moment.  I can see it now.a bunch of
> over-worked technicians banging their heads on their desks.
> I have not mass-deployed..dont want to either.  I only have 3 bad units
and
> all of them are up at the moment (knock on wood).
> I wonder if doing a manual upgrade, downgrade, upgrade, and downgrade
> knocked some sense into the unit.  Cause it's been working fine ever since
> yesterday.  Not the first time that it has worked for 24 hours though.  I
am
> holding my breath.  I really don't want to lose these 3 clients.
> And I am not ever going to jump on the "lawsuit" bandwagon either.  I am
> EXTREMELY impressed with the sB team..from Dilish, to Naveen, to Nish, to
> Alex, to Seeni, etc.etc...  I believe they must have some serious
"insider"
> ownership going on.  Cause they are some DAMN hard workers.
> Sully
> P.S.  I am having a problem with logging into some units at the moment
> though???  Has me stumped.  I will address that in another post.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of phantam
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 7:05 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] New Firmware not working for me
> Sully there working on checking the problem I believe I saw, remember it's
a
> beta so it is going to be bug ridden hence why they said not to mass
deploy
> it.
> I take it they had a feeling problems like this were going to arise that's
> probably why it was released as a beta with all the warnings because it
was
> a rush beta to get the kinks out in the field because really in design
> testing can only show 1/100th of the possible problems that can occur in
> software especially firmware for hardware.
> Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Wirefree Network [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:57 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I see you are responding to some posts...and I have never known sB to
> NOT monitor this forum 24x7.  So...where is your response to our
> problems with this firmware??
> Please....we have been patient on this issue...but at least let us know
> that you acknowledge the problem we are having and are working hard (as
> usual) to fix it.
> Loyal sB user!
> Sully
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wirefree
> Network
> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] New Firmware not working for me
> Repost due to ZERO response from sB on this issue.
> Why is this firmware not allowing association to some aPPo's???
> Sully
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wirefree
> Network
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:15 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [smartBridges] New Firmware not working for me
> Importance: High
> Here in my lab, I have a suspected bad unit.  I upgraded the firmware,
> and it will NOT reassociate with the intended aPPo.  I switched the
> SSID/Freq to my other aPPo and it associated right up.  I did this about
> 5 times both ways.  Every time it was the same. I downgraded the
> firmware back to (0.01.04) and it associated right up with the intended
> aPPo.  Upgraded again and it lost association.
> I have confirmed that there are ABSOLUTELY no differences in the
> settings of my two aPPos except for this:
> - Different SSIDs
> - Different freq's
> - One is new aPPo with short pigtail, one is older aPPo with hardwired
> CAT5
> The unit that I can not associate to is the older unit.  None of the
> older sB equipment is having any problems.  Everything is on the older
> firmware as well:
> aPPo = 1.4j.5
> airBridge indoors = 0.01.04 (tried upgrading to 0.01.06)
> Of the 17 I installed in the last 2 weeks, three are experiencing the
> "lost association" problem.  I replaced all 3 units (including POE
> units) and all 3 are still having problems.  That is VERY odd.  Although
> I did receive all these units (30) at the same time (almost all
> consecutive MAC addresses).
> Still doesn't explain why only these 3 are having problems and none of
> the other 14.  I wouldn't think it was too odd if it weren't for the
> fact that I R&R'd all 3 units and they are still losing association,
> whereas all the other 14 new clients are humming right along.
>
> I really think there is something more to this.
> No...it is not frequency or multipath or whatever.  I have sniffed out
> the entire area.  They are clean and very good RSSI/LQ.
> All 17 of these installs are within a half mile of the aPPo and clear
> LOS.
> Sully
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wirefree
> Network
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> name of the device is just airbridge.  I dont have any more client info
> entered in any of my devices.
> Sully
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Wirefree Network
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> 1. Older aPPo (about 3 months old..older type unit with hardwired CAT5)
> running 1.4j.5 firmware.
> 2. Client airBridge indoor units are running older firmware as well
> 0.01.04.
> 3. SSID is only 3 characters long
> 4. Preupgrade RSSI and LQ was in the 90's for both (when associated of
> course).
> I am wondering if I need the newer firmware on all devices first of all,
> then load the BETA firmware on the suspect devices????
> I had held off on the last round of firmware upgrades due to others
> experiencing problems.  I am about to try another upgrade here in my lab
> with one bad unit.  Will keep you posted!
> Sully
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Haynes
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> Mike and Sully. What FW are you running on the AP that the upgraded
> units
> will not associate with? What was your pre-upgrade RSSI and LQ? What is
> the
> length of the ESSID on the AP that the units will not associate with?
> Mike, are there anyother differences between the APs that the upgraded
> units
> will assoiate with and the APs they will not associate with?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of The Wirefree Network
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 6:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> I tried to upgrade one of 3 freezing units and it would not associate
> with
> the AP.  This is the only AP within range of all 3 units, so I dont know
> what to do at this point.
> I had to downgrade back to old firmware to reassociate.
> Sully
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Saathoff
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:29 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> Update,
> I have 7 AP's running the same firmware.  For some reason upgrading the
> firmware on the AirBriges kills their ability to associate with two of
> seven
> AP's.  I can associate with any of the other five and all seems to be
> working well.
> Not sure why yet.
> --Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael Saathoff
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:20 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> Sam,
> It either works or it dosen't.....Sounds funny but, what I mean is that
> the
> upgrade seems to resolve the heat issue.  Though I haven't had any real
> heat
> the last couple days.  The bad side is that it seems to kill my ability
> to
> associate with some of my AP's.
> --Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sam
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:09 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [smartBridges] Anyone having issues with the new firmware?
> Has anyone installed the new firmware? I'm getting ready to try, but
> wanted
> to check first to see what sort of luck others have had.
> Thanks
> Sam
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