May be a stupid question...but why do you think there is a built in router?
Sully -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! I think the cost difference is made up by : A- Higher quality B- Bandwidth controll at the end user C- Routing, assuming they do routing, then you can eliminate a soho gateway router. This is especially important for your small office customers. They can't be going down because of an inadequate radio, nor can they be going down because of a cheapo gateway router. Gateway routers........ the next bunch of manufacturers that need to get the butts reammed for selling crap. I haven't used Ray and Tony's stuff yet. I would if I had a need, I use Star-Os for my AP's but I also use them for my business class cpe's and for my multi tenant cpe, they do mucho routing and bandwidth controll as well as have the space for 3 nics and 1 wireless cards. or 3 wireless cards and 1 nic, or mix and match , or even put in a multi port nic card and you have as much as 9 ports plus a wireless feed, all with routing and other benefits. George Joe Email wrote: > Shawn > How is this Reliawave any cheaper > We pay $229.00 aBO and $55.00 for 18 dBi antenna = $284.00, For Total > $289.00 > Hey, I want them to fix these problems as much as anyone, that is why > we have been holding off on deploying > We purchased 2 of the YDI etherant 2's at the first of the year, those > things haven't blinked yet, they cost about $100 > more than the airBridge > I am looking at other options as well > A few days ago, I told them they needed to swap out any units directly > and today already, they said they would > I am like you guys, they still have some bad chips in the pipeline > I am getting ready to install 3 aPPO's about 300' on a tower but I am > really scared to, the last time I had 3 radio's put > on a tower at this height, it cost me $700 > Joe K > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 4:48 PM > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwb/rwb-mcpe.htm > You test that unit any? It's a full outdoor CPE cheaper than SB's > airBridge... and it also is a lot more sensitive than the > airBridge... 11meg at -91dBm, 1 meg at -96dBm Also supports rate > limiting on the unit, PoE, and a few others things... > Has something I really wish the airBrige had... a web based > management. I don't like installing software on my PC, or the > customers PC. I like Linux running on my laptop... allows me to do > MUCH more... > Anyone here have any experience with their products that can give > a good full review on them? > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Ray > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 13:32 > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > You can also look at the Reliawave units at www.demarctech.com > <http://www.demarctech.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 10:47 AM > *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > You are preaching to the chior on those points.... Trust > me, I've known of SB longer than most anyone here. I > helped (it can easily be argued) get the off and running, > certainly in the wisp market. > I use a ton of sb gear and may well have outspent you too. > We're seeing trouble too. I've warned the owner of SB for > at least a couple of months now that this problem has to > go away NOW. It's costing customers. And in my market > there aren't that many to start with!. > The alternative to an abo total though is a $400 to $500 > Zcomax or Telex unit (the telex ones seem very nice if my > pre production unit is any indication!). At some point > we'll have to decide if the warranty work or up front > costs is a greater cost to us. > I certainly don't expect low end pricing to be equal to > high end gear.... Much as I'd like to have both ;-). > Course, I've been in this game long enough to have > purchased indoor bridges at $1400 each! Even $500 for a > complete kit sounds good ;-). > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Blazen Wireless <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:07 AM > *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > Marlon, > Please if you look at the history we had GREAT WORKING > units coming form SB then all of a sudden WHAM it went > into the TANK WHY? nothing changed on our ends yet SB > claimed nothing was wrong then LOW AND BEHOLD OHH GEE > a chip problem we overlooked! get the picture? Now > they claim the problems are fixed but the true > diahards are seeing otherwise since we use 100% SB > product you bet your ass I am going to bitch I have > sunk well over $15K in SB product from various vendors > I have that right to bitch when something does not > work and it was before all this whole thing... > > *From:* Marlon Schafer (509-982-2181) > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > It's an amazing thing isn't it. We buy very nice > devices at below market rates and then have the > guts to get made when they don't perform better > than anything else we've ever run! lol > If only we didn't have to compete against cable > and dsl companies that have the money to buy > customers.... > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* The Wirefree Network > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:39 PM > *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > Of course they work out of the box. The > firmware upgrade was not to enable the device. > It was to correct the "timing" issue which was > causing disassociation (heat related). So.it > will work out of the box. It just may crash > soon after..that is why the sticker says upgrade. > > With that said, I had the same problems with > my units. They initially started flashing all > the lights. Wooohoo.all my clients are coming > online. Within 5 minutes, the blue light > stopped and soon there after the LAN side > locked up as well. Bad units..RMA them. > > But hey.I am not on sB's payroll.and I don't > approve the RMA's.so don't listen to me. I > have just spent enough time playing with these > units. Prior to June.you plugged them in and > they just worked. BAMMM! > > Sully > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell > *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 8:16 PM > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New APPO's! > > Nish, > > My point is that they would work out of the > box WITH OUT upgrading them. The units both > had blue flashing lights, but one of them > didn't after they had been running sitting in > the sun for several hours. > > Yes, the Ethernet was working great.. I was > connected to it via simpleMonitor watching the > RF (wireless) counters... all sitting at 0... > I'm trying to tell you that you have have > solved some of the heat issues, but not all of > them. Your still sending out bad units and > telling people to put a bandaid on them. Intel > tried the same thing with their old Pentium > 60Mhz CPU's years back, and in the end they > switched them out with good ones. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of *Nish Park > *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 21:54 > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New > APPO's! > > Shawn, > > I read the email a few times and watched > the movie also. I am not sure what point > you are trying to make. As the label says, > you need to upgrade the F/W before it will > work properly. There are no units with > "bad" chips in them. The thermal issue can > be solved by either the new hardware or > the new firmware. > > (ps. After the firmware upgrade you may > want to associate a client to check the > operation. In the movie it looks like you > may have a unit with bad Blue LED. > Ethernet LED is flashing as per normal so > it looks like the units is working ok but > for some reason the Blue LED may have come > off the solder joint). > > Nish > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *On Behalf Of *Shawn Mitchell > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:20 AM > *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand New > APPO's! > > I'm resizing the images and stuff right > now... I'll have them put up pretty soon, > but you'll see my point exactly on what > I've been dealing with over the last few > months. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of *Chris Chance > *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2003 18:38 > *To:* '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > *Subject:* RE: [smartBridges] Brand > New APPO's! > > How the hell... whats that bug u speak > of sounds kinda funny since u said u > passed traffic > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Mitchell > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 7:05 PM > To: smartBridges > > And they have bad chips in them! > > The white sticker on the box say's > "Before these will work correctly, you > must upgrade them"... So I think to > myself, "Smartbridges said they pulled > back all the ones they still had with > bad chips, so these must not have any > heat issues... right.." WRONG! > > Here's a nice little 30 second movie: > http://www.iodamedia.net/new-appo.avi > > One on the bottom is running the .8 > code, one on top is running the code it > came with, .5 > > Now, they got deliverd at around > 12:30pm CDT. I wasn't there, called them > on the phone and told them to sit them > outside in the sun, plugged in just > for grins. > > This day (yesterday) happen to be > breaking record temps all over the place. > It showed 102*F on the temp readout on > my jeep. These units were warm, but > not hot to the touch. "burnning" to > the human touch is around 50*C (122*F). > MUCH lower than what the units are > rated at. > > But anyway, you can very plainly see > that on the bottom unit, it's working > just as normal (RFtxrx light blinks), > but on the top one... it's totaly off. > DEAD... > > well, I didn't replace the two AP's > that I needed to replace still. I > tested them today.. I'm going to put > up the screen shots from it.. it's > quite funny, and let's just say I > found a few FW bugs in the airBridge, or > else SB you make good enough of a > radio that it connected to an AP 5 miles > away, through/around a large hill, and > through 20+ multistory brick > buildings (with a RSSI of -20 > something and a LQ of 90%+ and passing > traffic > for a while) > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
