You're only in trouble if you can't deliver the speed ;) Seriously tho, is it worth carrying on for you? I mean, the situation seems pretty bleak - and there is no point subsidising other peoples connections out of your own pocket unless you can see a chance of a return (ideally sizable). Cable being the nasty nail thats gonna hold the lid on the coffin :( - Just outta intrest, why do you not regard *DSL as competition - Pure curiosity :)
If you do carry on, best of luck! Kind Regards Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Kosick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > Yeah, to reinforce this theory... check out the forums on DSLReports where > the morons jerk each other off about how fast their connection is and how > cheap it is. The common statement is how they can't wait until it gets > faster. These are the same idiots that you used to see parked in the parking > lot back in high school with their hoods up showing everyone how cool and > fast their cars were. Nowhere to go, just parked there showing it off. > > Same with these idiots. "Look how fast my connection is, even though I have > nothing to do online other than test my speed and bust my providers balls > over it". > > Amazing. I know I'm in trouble when I connect a user who immediately goes to > Toast.Net to measure the speed. You'd think after waiting so long to get > fast Internet that they would try it out against the things they need it > for... such as loading pages, Remote Access, etc. > > I had Verizon DSL at my house for 3 weeks before I realized it was > provisioned at 768k (something Verizon does a lot... they provision it for > 768k and leave it that way unless someone says something). I online-chatted > with tech support, 3 mins later after rebooting the modem I was at 1.5Mbps. > Of course, I went straight to DSLReports to tell everyone :-) > Seriously though, it only mattered to me because I was downloading a large > file and it was taking longer than I'd expected. > === > Rick Kosick > StarLinX Internet Service > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Demarc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 12:26 PM > Subject: RE: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > > > > George > > > > You and I are not a normally user so this comment would not apply. But in > general most people simply do not NEED the extra speed to > > do basic work nor do they NEED the extra speed, they WANT the extra speed > but do not want to pay for it, which is nothing new :) > > > > Sincerely, Tony Morella > > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider > > Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202 > > http://www.demarctech.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geo_p15sb > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 1:02 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > > > > > > WRONG.. > > If I had to sit at a p2-500 I'd shoot myself first. These applications > > have grown to eat all the power they can get out of the latest round of > > procs. > > My p4-2.53 is nice to work with, my p3-500 is laggy my amd k2 400 drove > > me nuts. > > Faster is better. > > Always. > > George > > > > Demarc wrote: > > > > > Agree 100% for the most part this is also true for computer processing > > > speed most end users do not NEED anything over 500Mhz PII to do there > > > every day computing but they still by the latest greatest even thought > > > the actual benefits are very little. > > > > > > On a plus note, once the next get equipment is out (soon) it will make > > > for a equal playing field where 30Mb per cell is reachable. > > > > > > Sincerely, Tony Morella > > > Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider > > > Office: 908-996-7995 Fax: 908-847-0202 > > > http://www.demarctech.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:53 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > > > > > > > > > 3MB internet for $99 is about like the AOL 1,000 hours free in the > > > first > > > month. There is not 1,000 hours in a month and most users will run out > > > of data before they ever hit 3 MB sustained. Marketing types know > > > people tend to go for the high numbers and probably will never use it. > > > > > > Rick Kosick wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Hi Colin. > > >> > > >> The problem is basically that I only service one office park of > > >>about 100 businesses. > > >> I only have 12 customers there now (on wireless, anyway). I admit > > >>I got a little lazy and didn't market there like I should have. > > >>Recently Comcast came in and wired the complex. Now I am cutting my > > >>prices to $75.00/month for small office and $125.00 for large office > > >>and NOBODY is replying. > > >> > > >> These people can't get DSL, and can't evem get cable yet but > > >>Comcast surveyed the area and got them interested. So, I'm cheaper and > > >>better (not faster) and they still go with them. > > >> > > >> I also pondered doing a 10Mbps link for the same pricing as > > >>Comcast and when I spoke to people about it, they just want Comcast. > > >> > > >> I pictched an office complex of 120 offices DYING for Internet > > >>Access. No DSL, no Cable. > > >> Comcast caught wind that this problem existed and tried to run > > >>lines. The association told them they wanted 10k in escrow to make > > >>sure no damage was done. Comcast said no. > > >> > > >> So, the customers sat for 18 months with nothing. No hope of > > >>Comcast, and no DSL options. > > >> I went it... do digging, installed within 2 weeks, $99.00/month. > > >> > > >> Comcast caught wind of this... came back and offered the complex > > >>$5000k escrow. They took it. I signed up 3 customers and 1 of them > > >>told them that they would likely only use me until they got their > > >>cable installed. The rest never responded. $95/month, 3.5Mbps. Do > > >>the math. And, they could double this at any time (speed, not price). > > >> > > >> Comcast is doubling their residential speeds from 1.5 to 3Mbps on > > >>Dec 1. > > >> Compete with that. > > >> > > >> They're smart. They know 3Mbps is impossible to get in any other > > >>economical format. DSL is not gonna do that (under realistic > > >>conditions) and T1 isn't either. Diabolical! > > >> > > >> I used to have about 100 customers on wireless but I opt'd to swap > > >>out all the radio equipment for burried Cat5(it is a complex). Almost > > >>all of them were concerned that "when it rains or the wind is blowing, > > >>doesn't it go out?". This is directly related to Comcast's commercials > > >>regarding the dish. :-( > > >> > > >> I don't even tell people its wireless. I call it wDSL, or Wireless > > >>DSL if they ask. > > >> > > >>=== > > >>Rick Kosick > > >>StarLinX Internet Service > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Colin Watson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 12:39 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > > >> > > >> How badly are u suffering? Why can't you compete? > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Rick Kosick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 4:26 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > > >> > > >> Nope, wasn't me who called. I started out with Breezecom about > > >> 3 years ago and remained pretty small. I'm taking it in the > > >> backside now with Comcast here giving it all away for free. > > >> Scumbags. > > >> > > >> Wouldn't it be so nice to have that monopoly? Run wires to > > >> every home and then call it a private network so nobody else > > >> has access to the wire. Funny, 230' of their cable runs across > > >> my lawn and I don't see any rent money for that "private > > >> network". What a waste the FCC is. > > >> === > > >> Rick Kosick > > >> StarLinX Internet Service > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Sevak Avakians > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 11:10 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use smartBridge... > > >> > > >> Hi Rick, > > >> > > >> I'm in NYC. Yeah, both our areas (NY & PA) were hit bad > > >> yesterday! > > >> > > >> PA? There was a guy in PA that wanted to setup a WISP and > > >> had called me for tips awhile back...that wasn't you, > > >> right? If I remember correctly, his name was also Rick. > > >> > > >> Sevak > > >> > > >> On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 11:02, Rick Kosick wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> No luck. I downgraded to lower firmware and nothing. > > >>> I am going to try and reset it by using the button on > > >>> PowerShot and trying from scratch. Otherwise, I have to > > >>> dump the equipment and move to something else. Way too > > >>> much time spent on this what-should-be-simple setup. It > > >>> did work for about 5 mins until I tried enabling WEP. > > >>> Ever since though, nothing. > > >>> > > >>> Where are you located that you have 55MPH wind? I'm in PA > > >>> and have the same problem. Trees down everywhere :-( > > >>> > > >>> Where can I get 1.4j.9? Maybe that will do it? > > >>> === > > >>> Rick Kosick > > >>> StarLinX Internet Service > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: Sevak Avakians > > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 10:47 AM > > >>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use > > >>>smartBridge... > > >>> > > >>> Hi Rick, > > >>> > > >>> Turns out that I'm also having problems getting 2 > > >>> aPPOT units to bridge. At first, I was having > > >>> trouble with one of the appot to broadcast it's > > >>> ssid. The other appot did not take up the ssid > > >>> changes I made to it. Whenever sniffing wirelessly, > > >>> its ssid appeared as airPointProOutdoorTOTAL. After > > >>> re-flashing the rom, rebooting, and switching from > > >>> wireless bridge mode to client bridge mode then back > > >>> to wireless bridge mode, the ssid appears properly on > > >>> the second unit. (Note, that the ssid as seen from > > >>> the monitor program would always appear as the > > >>> correct one. It was only from looking at the > > >>> wireless broadcast that I could see that the ssid was > > >>> incorrect.) > > >>> > > >>> Well, anyway it is way too windy here today for me to > > >>> continue (55 mph winds!), so I'll take another look > > >>> at it tomorrow. > > >>> > > >>> Any luck with your setup??? > > >>> > > >>> Sevak > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 09:19, Rick Kosick wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Software: 1.6 > > >>>> Firmware: 1.4j.8 > > >>>> > > >>>> Both sides. > > >>>> === > > >>>> Rick Kosick > > >>>> StarLinX Internet Service > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>> From: Sevak Avakians > > >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:11 AM > > >>>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use > > >>>> smartBridge... > > >>>> > > >>>> Rick, if you got the firmware off the website, > > >>>> it may not be the latest. Usually sb has a beta > > >>>> version that they post on this list and most of > > >>>> us use before it is posted to the website. > > >>>> > > >>>> Check the version number using simpleNMS or the > > >>>> firmware upgrade utility. > > >>>> > > >>>> Sevak > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 09:05, Rick Kosick wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> I don't know the actual version number but I > > >>>>> just downloaded it off the website in the past > > >>>>> few days and it is the very latest on both > > >>>>>sides. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This part about it bringing the switch to its > > >>>>> knees is VERY disturbing because a switch, by > > >>>>> its design, should not allow that to happen > > >>>>> normally. I can see it happening to a hub. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I was working on this remotely (from home) at > > >>>>> late hours both times and had to drive to the > > >>>>> NOC to remedy it because I couldn't access any > > >>>>> machines via PC Anywhere. The whole network > > >>>>> crashed basically. > > >>>>> === > > >>>>> Rick Kosick > > >>>>> StarLinX Internet Service > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: Blazen Wireless > > >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 8:59 AM > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [smartBridges] Why not to use > > >>>>> smartBridge... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Interesting what firmware were you using > > >>>>> which should not affect your switch like > > >>>>> that just curious to know.. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: Rick Kosick > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 5:39 AM > > >>>>> Subject: [smartBridges] Why not to use > > >>>>> smartBridge... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So far I've come up with three good > > >>>>> reasons to not continue to use > > >>>>> smartBridges but I'm open to > > >>>>> suggestions for fixing these problem. > > >>>>> Pardon my frustration but I have 3 > > >>>>> years of wireless experience and its > > >>>>> taking me more than 10 hours of > > >>>>> fiddling to get a simple Wireless > > >>>>> Bridge to Wireless Bridge up and > > >>>>> running and I am sitting here with more > > >>>>> problems than solutions right now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 1) Last week I plugged the ethernet > > >>>>> side of an APPO into an APCC PNET4 > > >>>>> ethernet surge supressor where there > > >>>>> where three other devices plugged in. > > >>>>> This caused severe packet loss on the > > >>>>> other devices. Pinging the other > > >>>>> devices between each other would result > > >>>>> in 4 out of 10 pings timeing out. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> SOLUTION: Bypass the ethernet surge > > >>>>> supressor. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 2) Right now I have two APPO's > > >>>>> configured in Wireless Bridge mode > > >>>>> (which won't work, see #3). At my NOC > > >>>>> side its plugged into a D-Link DES3226 > > >>>>> Managed Switch. If I put the APPO into > > >>>>> Access Point mode, it KILLS the traffic > > >>>>> on my switch entirely to the point > > >>>>> where workstations and servers can > > >>>>> barely reach each other. As soon as I > > >>>>> unplug the APPO's ethernet connection > > >>>>> from the switch, immediately everything > > >>>>> goes back to normal. This has happened > > >>>>> twice now in my quest to get my > > >>>>> wireless link working. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> SOLUTION: No idea. Maybe avoid > > >>>>> Access Point mode? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 3) I have to admit I did enjoy 3 > > >>>>> minutes of Wireless Bridge mode where > > >>>>> everything worked as it was expected, > > >>>>> but I got adventerous and enabled WEP. > > >>>>> This did not work out for some reason > > >>>>> and now, after disabling WEP... I > > >>>>> cannot get the Wireless Bridge mode to > > >>>>> work again. I've reset to Defaults and > > >>>>> started over, still nothing. I simply > > >>>>> cannot get Wirless Bridge to Wireless > > >>>>> Bridge mode to work at this point. I've > > >>>>> been through the "recycling both > > >>>>> sides", "double checking MAC#'s", etc. > > >>>>> You'd think that if this was going to > > >>>>> work at all, I would have accidentally > > >>>>> made it work by now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> SOLUTION: None as of yet. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Clearly, when considering points #1 and > > >>>>> #2 above, there is more happening on > > >>>>> the ethernet side of the link than just > > >>>>> ethernet. Something is different than a > > >>>>> standard ethernet connection because > > >>>>> this radio clearly caused major packet > > >>>>> loss between the other devices plugged > > >>>>> into am ethernet surge supressor. Maybe > > >>>>> power is leaking through from the > > >>>>> PowerShot device? And, its ability to > > >>>>> completely bring a managed switch to > > >>>>> its knees just reassures this.. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> === > > >>>>> Rick Kosick > > >>>>> StarLinX Internet Service > > >>>>> > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > > > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in > > > the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe > smartBridges <yournickname> > > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe > smartBridges) > > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > > > > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List > To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> > To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) > Archives: http://archives.part-15.org > The PART-15.ORG smartBridges Discussion List To Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe smartBridges <yournickname> To Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe smartBridges) Archives: http://archives.part-15.org
