Greetings,
As most of you know this subject raises its ugly head, about, every 6 months
or so.
as most of you know RES stands for Rudder; Elevator; and Spoiler.....no
where in that basic definition is there the letter F for flaps.
I also feel that v-tails with spoilers as well as flying wings with spoilers
meet the same intent, as the orginal framers envisioned.
Because there is not "Yet" and offical definiation in the rule book, it is
up to those who run contests, to publish their definitions before a contest,
such that everyone is on the same page.

In my neck of the woods, this last year,  the contest Coordinators from the
area clubs in 3 states sat down and hammered out what the RES defination was
, for all the contests in our area.

It worked,and worked well, my hats off to these people... you know who you
are......

Currently, there are some fine people working on getting the rules set up
for the next rules change cycle with the AMA.
I am certain, that they are lurking about taking all this in. My hat is off
to them for their hard work in this matter as well.

One or two people have been upset when the contest directors would not allow
a flapped 2-channel in the contest, even when they knew better.... do we
bend the published rule, for one and sacrifice the contest for the masses
???

I also do not have a problem with servos for each spoiler, as long as they
are not coupled to provide turning assistance.

Again, R.E.S. (functions) are what we are looking at, not flaps, not income,
not constrution materials,
not age discrimitations, but simply "Functions".

IMOHO
Thank You
Jack Strother
2-Time RES Nats CD



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Carris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 1999 3:56 PM
> To: RCSE
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES
>
>
> James,
>
> I am sure that a solution could be found.  Trailing edge flaps are much
> easier to make and set up.  You could easily have trailing edge flaps that
> would be ruled to be only a small % of the span and a large % of the chord
> that would only operate in the up position.  Easily inspected by a top
> surface hinge with no bottom surface
> bevel.  I  would be interested then.  Spoilers only..... baa humbug!
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James Porter Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: soaring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, December 25, 1999 10:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES
>
>
> > Problem is, if you allow flaps (how big?), somebody will be
> using them for
> > camber control and there goes one of the tenants of the class.  I argued
> for
> > trailing edge speed brakes, but realized the difficulty of defining and
> > enforcing a technical rule.  Lets live with the idea of a simpler, basic
> > class that doesn't required a fortune to fly and compete in.
> And this is
> > from a guy who REALLY likes high performance plastic.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: George Voss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 1999 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RCSE] RES
> >
> >
> > > Dial chord!  Well yes.  Probably the better way is the small braided
> > cable.  No perceptible expansion/contraction and much easier to
> > > adjust than 'string'.  This will weigh a small amount more than the
> > string, and less (probably) than another servo.
> > >
> > > However, I think the 3 servo rule is better.  Yes friends and
> neighbors,
> > territory of the Alcyone.  I think not allowing flaps as
> > > the landing control is ludicrous!!!  It's a much better way to land
> since
> > it SLOWS the airspeed down!  Just what a newcomer needs in
> > > the way of assistance.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > > The argument always used to be "We can put a man on the moon, surely
> we
> > can
> > > > (insert your objective here)...
> > > > Now, I suppose we must acknowledge that our ability to effectively
> > operate
> > > > spoilers with one servo must be presumed to have gone the way of our
> > ability
> > > > to effect human intentions on extraterrestrial objects. Besides,
> > wouldn't you
> > > > want to save the weight of that extra servo? (I know, I know, have a
> > nice
> > > > time trying to find dial cord)
> > > >
> > > > Bill Wingstedt
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 12/25/1999 7:40:11 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > > > I think that all of us remember the trouble of hooking up the
> spoiler
> > > > >  strings and spoilers not coming down when requested.
> This was done
> > > > >  to ease the spoiler hook up.
> > > > >
> > > > >  Should this installation be outside of the rules of RES?
> > > > >
> > > > >  Ken
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