Okay, I've got Z bend pliers, and I've made the bends in the wire going to the servo horns. But now I've got to make bends in wire that goes directly to the tailfeather horns -- and that means, once the bends are made, I can't adjust, because I'm not using those adjustable cleavises (or whatever they're called). My problems are twofold: can't figure out how to use the pliers to get the bend exactly where I want to get it; and b/ how to hold the pliers to get the bend to come out in the right direction. I've tried experiments with spare wire but 400 practice bends later, I'm still muddled and befuddled. Can anyone offer any advice or help? Thanks!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]