First  I will add my thanks to the club for a good weekend and for the guts
to fly man on man. Great job guys!!!  BTW. Thanks for the ass whipping
Manny!

Man on man flying is defiantly the way to go. Everyone I talked to liked the
idea and had a few suggestions (listed below) The IESC flying site has some
very tough air, if you zigged when you should have zagged you found yourself
at 1/2 launch height in short time.. The contest used retrievers and 4
winches for 5 man groups, sometimes the last guy in the group launched 1 1/2
to 2 minutes behind the first guy and the professional sandbaggers took full
advantage of it.  When the air is that fickle 1 minute is enough time to
figure out who NOT to follow. Short line were not a problem but you did need
a good launch set up.

The contest was defiantly biased towards soaring with a max of 5 landing
points possible.

The contest was also a triathlon scoring thrown in for fun. The first round
was a 3 minute bell curve straight up.

What I heard for suggestions:
* Landing points could be higher but more importantly define a tighter
landing area. If you don't define a landing area then guys are landing all
over the place from all directions. At this contest inside the 1/4 mile
track would be a good landing area. Outside the landing area would receive
no points. It would be safer and more controlled.
* Drop the triathlon, go with all 10 minute man on man flights.
* More winches, the retrievers worked and pilots were launched as soon as
possible with the manpower available. Without retrievers you can get the
group up faster but you also need more help shagging lines. If you have the
space between winches then retrievers are a good idea. At our field we can't
spread out wide enough to keep the bow from the retriever line out of the
next pilots way so you need to wait for the retriever to tighten the line
before the next pilot can launch. Worse in a cross wind.

At HSS we will put some of these suggestion into play so if your July 7th
Sunday is open come on out.

Tom Copp
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 -----Original Message-----
From:   Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:07 AM
To:     John Erickson; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List
Subject:        Re: [RCSE] IESC RESULTS

<<Was there much of guys "chasing the leader" around
the field, or did
everyone try to find their own air?  If it's at all
like the IHLGF, I'm
always surprised how little "poaching" actually takes
place.  You have
less
time to decide in hand launch, and 25' can make a big
difference, but I
would think that with good launches there would be the
opportunity to
just
try and cover the leader.

The launch lines were quite short, and the winches
easily stalled - not much launch height. The air was
brutal - light disorganized lift with BIG sink. I was
not instantly comfortable on any of my flights.
(Except the 3) There was a bit of herd mentality, but
if you wanted to make your times, you needed to break
away from the pack. I think only the top 3 made all
their times - and Cohn turned an 8 minute on a 10
minute task into a 1,000. (So actually only 2 of the
top 3 made their times)

I was trying to figure out if this would have been the
case had the contest NOT been held man on man. I think
many more people would have made their times had it
been held in a "normal" contest format. There would
have been planes in the air to read and cover. Or to
read and go the other way.

The contest definitely emphasized soaring skills - it
was more fun than the typical steer and stabs we
normally fly in.

Thanks again to ISS for trying something new - it was
a hoot!

D

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