Then as I said originally, why pretend it is a national championship? Call it what it is (your words not mine) or revise it to reflect the current trends. Hey if everyone is happy the way it is, then me too, but apparently there are a lot of people who would like to see a change, either exclude this or include that, or have two days of this not that.
There is a trend to utilize the site for less competitive "competitions" ie, Scale aerotow XC, and Woodcrafters, and the April DARTS aerotow, why not embrace the larger agenda, which is to get more people to the NATS, and the National flying site. As I also said, the diehards who think hard edge competition is the only way to have "fun" are increasingly in the minority. Think about it, how many competitors attend the soaring NATS? 80? And on any given day there are maybe 20-40 pilots flying at a huge flying site at any one time. How many R/C non competitive types exist? hundreds? Thousands? The math does not support the current site usage, if the point is to get more people to Muncie, then you will most likely see more "less competitive" events at the Muncie site. The reason is that competitions are labor intensive and time intensive, Semi competitions and true Fun fly events, not saying we need to completely replace competition, which is not my thrust here, but the fact remains that by mixing the two you might get more people getting a chance to fly per event week, draw more attendees, both flying and spectators to the NATS. Vendors and industry exhibitors might be more incline to display and participate because of the increased product placement exposure. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:59 AM > To: TJB; soaring@airage.com > Subject: Re: [RCSE] National Fun Fly > > Don't you think that the pilots that landed out in Unlimited on the 1st > day > treated the second day as a "fun fly"? It was for me. (There is no > dropout round.) > > When your not competing in the top 20 it's just a "fun fly". If you would > take a poll, most pilots would say, "I'm here to have fun". > > Don't understand why a "fun fly" would gather more people. You either > want > to fly with other people or you don't. Some pilots are just introverts > that fly their own air. > > > Steve Meyer > SOAR > LSF IV > > > At 05:23 PM 8/2/2005, TJB wrote: > >In the majority of flying clubs in our area, only a very few are > seriously > >interested in competition. Out of 20 club members, last year, I was the > >only one who showed up for our ESL contest on the second day. Lancaster > >has the same problem. I would venture to say, if there was a National > Fun > >Fly for a week, there might be a good turn out. It doesn't even have to > >be on the same schedule as the NATS. > > > >T > > > >T&G > >32 Mount View Dr > >Afton, VA 22920 > > > >540 943-3356 > >fax 943-4178 > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "John Derstine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "'TJB'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Soaring List'" <soaring@airage.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:06 PM > >Subject: RE: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year > > > > > >>Now there is an idea, basically what I was getting at, contests and fun > >>every year. De-emphasize the contest aspect as the die hards know who > >>they are, and will always show up, we need to attract the rest, the guys > >>who don't always come, who care less about rigorous competition, who > >>will support the National Flying site with their presence if it is > >>relevant to their interests, not the minority of top level competition > >>pilots. > >>JD > >> > >>Endless Mountain Models > >>http://www.scalesoaring.com > >>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: TJB [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:54 PM > >>>To: Soaring List > >>>Subject: Re: [RCSE] One full day of RES -- XC/Scale every year > >>> > >>> would have Monday for 2M, Tues and Wed for Open, Thurs would be RES, > >>Fri > >>> > morning hand launch and Friday afternoon NOS. Events like F3B, F3J, > >>> > X-Country and Scale would be on the weekend before or after. > >>> > > >>> > JE > >>> > >>> > >>>Would probably be the end of NOS. Just not that many flying it. It > >>won't > >>>be long and NOS will be 30 year old planes. It is so limited. If > >>they > >>>set > >>>the category for 20 year old planes (more like it was when it > >>started), it > >>>would open up the field for more fliers. > >>> > >>>I would come an extra couple days early if they had XC and Scale every > >>>year. > >>>It doesn't even have to be a contest, just two days set aside at the > >>>beginning of the schedule. > >>> > >>>T > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > With the introduction of production planes like the Ava and the > >>Topaz, > >>>RES > >>> > is now the fastest growing segment of plane in this neck of the > >>woods. > >>> > Where it used to be just a few people it is now nearly even with the > >>> > amount > >>> > of Open class entries. There are several fliers that have won Open > >>> > contests > >>> > with these planes and it isn't a fluke. Over the last year I have > >>> > consistently scored better with my Topaz than with my Open class > >>plane, > >>> > primarily because of the ability to just drop it on the spot and > >>have it > >>> > stick. They are so light they don't carry too much momentum. They > >>> > thermal > >>> > easier, the handling is excellent, they just don't like as much > >>wind, > >>>but > >>> > then again, they can successfully be ballasted. > >>> > > >>> > In the big monthly contests SWSA holds, the number of Open class > >>planes > >>>is > >>> > probably around 30, RES is about 20 and 2M is about 10. It seems > >>> > completely > >>> > upside down to me that 2M at the NATS gets 2 days while RES gets 1/2 > >>a > >>> > day. > >>> > Additionally, the awards banquet is held before RES and NOS are even > >>> > flown, > >>> > pushing it down further from a competitive event to more of a fun > >>fly > >>> > afterthought. > >>> > > >>> > I> -- > >>> > Erickson Architects > >>> > John R. Erickson, AIA > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> From: "Jim McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> >> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:34:52 -0500 > >>> >> To: <soaring@airage.com> > >>> >> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> >> Subject: [RCSE] One full day of RES > >>> >> > >>> >> What's amazing is that the United States is the only country the > >>flies > >>> >> 2M. I > >>> >> think if you took a poll at the Nats those entered in the event > >>only > >>>fly > >>> >> it to > >>> >> occupy time until Unlimited starts. The latest phrase coined at > >>this > >>> >> years > >>> >> event was " Do you know what flies worse than a 2M?" Answer: > >>"Nothing". > >>> >> In > >>> >> general most prefer the bigger models and very few clubs fly 2M on > >>a > >>> >> regular > >>> >> basis. > >>> >> > >>> >> Let the flaming begin. > >>> >> > >>> >> Jim McCarthy > >>> > > >>> > RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. 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