On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 15:30 -0400, Henry Litwhiler wrote: > On 3/28/10 3:28 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 15:23 -0400, Kaliya wrote: > > > >> On Mar 28, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 11:13 -0700, Jason Self wrote: > >>> > >>>> Matt Lee<[email protected]> wrote .. > >>>> > >>>>> On 03/28/2010 02:03 PM, Henry Litwhiler wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I don't see why users have to be able to use commodity hosting. > >>>>>> If we > >>>>>> make it easy enough, anyone can host their own GNU Social > >>>>>> install, p2p > >>>>>> style. > >>>>>> > >>>>> Because I don't believe the majority of people will. > >>>>> > >>>>> What will they host it on? The majority of Facebook users don't > >>>>> have a > >>>>> machine they can install their own servers on. Being able to use > >>>>> this > >>>>> from anywhere is key for success, and that means browser based. > >>>>> > >>>> +1 > >>>> > >>>> Plus, remember that many ISPs (at least in the U.S.) prohibit their > >>>> customers > >>>> from running "servers" under penalty of cancellation. > >>>> > >>> The GNU Project should not bend itself to the whims of profiteering > >>> leeches. > >>> > >> I guess it is totally unsurprising to hear talk like this. > >> > >> I have been working with very idealistic folks working on identity and > >> much of what you are talking about for a long time. In order to get > >> systems of the magnitude of everyone having control of their own data > >> online and the freedom to peer-to-peer link and freedom to organize > >> one needs to work with business and transform the exploitive systems > >> that underly our world today into ones that are ethically moral and > >> for the people. > >> > >> To get things to work and be supported resources and money need to flow. > >> Business in itself is NOT the DEVIL. > >> > > Indeed it is not, but that was not what I was addressing. Businesses > > that attempt to divide users so that they cannot interact with one > > another as peers and make them "consumers" are the devil. > > > > Maybe there are good ethical businesses in the world - such a question > > is outside the scope of GNU Social. But these ISPs and non-free software > > companies, they certainly are not. > > > Rather than trying to encourage users to go in the direction of outright > defiance, we might do better to find ways for them to get around the > restrictions set up by these ISPs, something that can be accomplished > through GNU Social.
If you mean using p2p, I agree with you, but that's still some level of defiance. I don't see any way to do this without some level of defiance without introducing software as a service, which is unethical. The problem is that these ISPs only permit users to communicate with the outside world through SaaS.
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