To be honest, due to the increased unreliability of Autodesk products,
and the increasing price, we are considering to migrate to cheaper,
more reliable product out of the Autodesk household. Why I should pay
for bugfixes? Why should I pay money for delivering useless, untested
stuff? It's not against the excellent guys at support (hats off for
you guys, you really rock), but Autodesk policy. Shame on them. And
that'll lead to increased software piracy, it's sure.
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Williams, Wayne
*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 3:26 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: price increases?
"I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my
subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the
prices going up even more?!"
You are doing the right thing. Money talks, and when enough of it
does, it roars. Just stop upgrading, stop subscription. When enough
people do so Autodesk will be forced to re-evaluate their policies or
hemorrhage money. Will probably get flamed to the depths of Hades for
the contrarian opinion but monopolistic price gouging isn't a
sustainable business model due to various factors, most notably the
demand curve. Only so many people can afford the new, higher premiums
so they wind up losing customers there. They also extremely piss off
much of the rest of their customer base with the higher prices which
makes that base more prone to look elsewhere for solutions. This is
when competitors step in and offer more value to lure that customer
base away. It may be that the competition has the same sort of product
for a cheaper price, or it may be they offer something that does more
than what Autodesk software can do but at the same price. Eventually,
this results in an equilibrium of prices for goods and services being
made possible. Know it sounds a bit odd, but this price exploration is
something that is desirable in the long term. It's one of the things
which drives innovation, competition and helps producers to determine
what is the right price for their product. Non-market based external
factors aside (government's injecting themselves into the economy
(typically due to lobbying from a weaker competitor) via subsidies,
tax breaks, no bid contracts, etc.) this process is the most efficient
one our species has observed to date for the allocation of resources.
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]]
<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> *On Behalf
Of *Matt Morris
*Sent:* Monday, June 18, 2012 7:26 AM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: price increases?
I can't believe AD's policy concerning pricing. I've dropped both my
subs due to the 70% price increase for uk subscribers - so are the
prices going up even more?!
I'll think about upgrading again when they sort out their INSANE price
policies. 2013 should do me for a while yet. Given that we're in a
worldwide recession and the 3d market in particular seems to be being
squeezed, I have no idea how they are validating these decisions.
On 16 June 2012 11:43, Tim Leydecker <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
> Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard
any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally like
subscription.
+1
I just recently tried to consolidate my licenses into
one single subscription covered Ultimate package.
It would have been very favorable for me but unfortunately,
my reseller would only offer a stiff +/- 5000 EUR option,
dropping Maya and upgrading Premium into a single Ultimate bundle.
If I would just go and get my subscription for my Premium bundle
and the Maya license instead, even including pesky late subscription fees,
which are imho sending a wrong message in terms of marketing anyway,
I would end up at "just" roughly 2200 EUR.
This doesn´t make sense at all and really, really sends the wrong message.
I would have thought AD would be happy to simplify things and even
sell the full pack?
Cheers,
tim
On 15.06.2012 18:21, Byron Nash wrote:
Is this an effort to get everyone on subscription? I haven't heard
any word about that going up. (crossing fingers!) I personally
like subscription.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Thomas Helzle
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
wrote:
The 70% of the full price for an update is not a rumor, I got
that in an official mail from my reseller a month ago.
They say this will be effective from February 2013.
I haven't heard of the general price increase but wouldn't be
surprised - I guess it's more the question of "when" than "if".
And Softimage XSI is really worth every penny, it
used to cost 70,000 or something ;-)
Hey, just kidding anyway. I'm out of the loop already.
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 20:57, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
nope -- a bet it is, as for now it is just a rumour.
*From:* Thomas Helzle <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:37 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
*Subject:* Re: price increases?
"bets"?
They are called "Screws" as far as I know ;-)
Applied to the thumbs or other sensitive body extensions
they can be very effective.
Especially in an endless spiraling economic crisis they are
needed to extract shareholder value from customers who might have
become a bit reluctant to let go of
possessions, even if it's for the greater good.
It's easily fixed with the:
S.C.R.E.W.E.D. 2013 Subscription Benefit Pack Extender Set.
Once applied, the needed flow of fresh blood, ahem, cash,
is guaranteed.
Enjoy your stay ;-)
Cheers,
Tom
On 14 June 2012 19:59, <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
a little fairy told me today...
in about two weeks we (Europe) would see 25% increase
on licenses/maintenance for autodesk 3D software, and upgrades at
about 75% of the cost of new licenses.
all bets are on.
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 11:17 AM
To: [email protected].__com
<mailto:[email protected].__com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
It's a North American price change.
I haven't seen anything about price changes in the rest
of the world.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com
<http://autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@
<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.com
<http://listproc.autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] On Behalf Of
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: June-12-12 3:15 AM
To: [email protected].__com
<mailto:[email protected].__com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: price increases?
but with north america vs europe vs japan equivalency,
we'll see 10 % in
europe and 20% in japan.
(sorry, couldn't resist)
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Blair
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 3:20 AM
To: [email protected].__com
<mailto:[email protected].__com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
The price increase for commercial US and Canada
licenses will be something
on the order of 5%, I believe.
I don't have the actual prices atm.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com
<http://autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@
<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.com
<http://listproc.autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] On Behalf Of
Matt Lind
Sent: June-11-12 7:43 PM
To: [email protected].__com
<mailto:[email protected].__com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
What are the new prices for new licenses?
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com
<http://autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@
<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.com
<http://listproc.autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] On Behalf Of
Stephen Blair
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 4:38 PM
To: [email protected].__com
<mailto:[email protected].__com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: price increases?
Subscription prices do not change.
Price changes apply to new licenses.
-----Original Message-----
From: softimage-bounces@listproc.__autodesk.com
<http://autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
[mailto:softimage-bounces@
<mailto:softimage-bounces@>__listproc.autodesk.com
<http://listproc.autodesk.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>] On Behalf Of David
Gallagher
Sent: June-11-12 7:04 PM
To: [email protected].__com
<mailto:[email protected].__com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: Re: price increases?
What are the new subscription prices?
On 6/11/2012 6:36 PM, Eric Gunther wrote:
You know,
I was just subscribed to this list to pick up the
odd bit about 3d and
softimage...but I feel the need to comment.
I initially got softimage (decided to use it)
because it was selling
for
400 bucks or something. Seemed like a good way to
get into the
industry, small.
what is happening and has been happening with this
is just $%#@ed up.
-eric
On Tue, 2012-06-12 at 00:00 +0200, Thomas Helzle wrote:
yeah, got some funny emails as well.
It seems that in the future you can update up
to 6 or 7 versions
back, but have to pay 70% of the full original
price (which funny
enough was increased quite considerably for XSI
not that long ago).
I'm sure an Autodesk representative would be
able to explain why this
is a fantastic thing to happen.
I'd call it your basic miss-use of a monopoly.
Cheers,
Tom
http://www.screendream.de
On 11 June 2012 21:15, Paul Griswold
<pgriswold@__fusiondigitalproductions.com
<http://fusiondigitalproductions.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Nevermind - I found it here:
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/__servlet/pc/index?siteID=__123112&id=192218
<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/__servlet/pc/index?siteID=__123112&id=192218>
<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218
<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?siteID=123112&id=192218>>
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So it looks like we're all going to
see a price increase in
August.
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Paul
Griswold
<pgriswold@__fusiondigitalproductions.com
<http://fusiondigitalproductions.com>
<mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
Can anyone from AD discuss the
price increases that
have been announced? Will it
affect Softimage or is
it just CAD products?
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/__servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&__siteID=1231
<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/__servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&__siteID=1231>
<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231
<http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/pc/index?id=19221634&siteID=1231>>
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-Paul
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