I'm with you Eugen. The nice thing I've found with the new Start Screen is that I've organized things based on how frequently I use them. So Softimage, Photoshop, Eyeon Fusion, 3D-Coat, etc., are in a block on the furthest to the left. And less frequently used software is further to the right. Software I don't use often at all are unpinned from the Start Screen and are accessible by clicking the "all apps" button or by just starting to type the name. It's a great way to visually organize everything. I picked up a Logitech touchpad for navigation & it's a nice way to mimic a touch screen interface.
Originally I tried using Win8 like Win7 and had a lot of desktop icons, but I've slowly moved away from that & rarely go to the desktop at all anymore. I have a Samsung 700T Win8 Pro tablet and it has the Wacom digitizer built-in. I'm sure it's fantastic for painting if you're in your 20's. But I'm in my 40's and my eyes are starting to go, so the screen is just too small for me to deal with. But as a tablet, it's awesome. I haven't touched my iPad since I got it. IE 10 on a tablet is fantastic (other than not being able to run ad blockers). I think overall Win 8 is a good move for MS. We're in a period of time now where there's a generation of people who've had computers their entire life. They don't need skeuomorphism to understand how things work, so GUI designers should be free to explore the possibilities and let things evolve. From what I'm hearing, the next iOS is going to be totally flat, just like Win8 - and I'm sure that'll trickle over to OSX too. -PG On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:02 AM, Eugen Sares <sof...@mail.sprit.org> wrote: > Just another Windows 8 opinion, OT: > I'm using it for a few months now, and overall I'm quite happy with it. > To me, the metro screen - which IS the new start menu - looks fresh and > modern. Animation, simple graphics, colors... people have different tastes. > The no-nonsense style of the desktop is a nice thing, too. > The boot process became extremely efficient. Use the "save energy" > shutdown option to keep all applications open, and it won't get any faster. > The RMB-menu in the bottom left corner, by the way, is a very good > collection of most of the system tools you will ever need. > The charms menu and that stuff is a failure in big parts, though - > optimizing the new UI is something to expect from the next version. That's > simple. > There's more to Windows 8 than meets the eye also. > > Regarding the touch feature: > True, noone using a desktop machine will seriously start finger-fumbling > on the monitor, but the touch feature exists to allow Windows to be a > unified system on every possible device, not because you are expected to > use it on workstations (which ain't dead, of course). If you don't need it, > don't use it. > > I'm with Raphaele regarding painting/navigating on touch devices, it's the > real thing. My hopes now are on the upcoming Wacom mobile tablet (Had a 20" > Cintiq and sold it, not because because it wasn't ergonomic). > > Never had any compatibility troubles so far with the stuff I use. > > > Am 07.05.2013 07:59, schrieb Raffaele Fragapane: > > Ever the extremist :) > Touch isn't a replacement to other devices, it extends it. > > If you never tried painting with a touch sensitive interface, you won't > understand. > Turning the canvas around, orbiting, zooming, resizing the mouse and so on > are amazingly intuitive and smooth. > Scrolling, moving icons etc, all activities that suffer for cosiderable > lag or unnatural gestures right now, can be made fluid and unambiguous. > > But anyway, it doesn't seem like this discussion would go anywhere. > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Sam <sbowl...@cox.net> wrote: > >> I did a lot of reading on the web when windows 8 first came out and I >> saw a lot of people complaining about programs and games not running >> correctly. I just saw an article recently where setting a game (don’t >> remember which one) on its highest setting would cause everything to >> disappear under windows 8. IE 10 has all kinds of compatibility problems >> (I’m one of those freaks who like IE). I tried renewing mudbox with it and >> the Autodesk web site kept telling me that there would be a late charge >> because my subscription had expired. After contacting tech support and >> going back and forth with them for a bit I finally figured out it was IE10 >> causing the problem and that Firefox and IE9 didn’t have the problem. I >> also ran across tons of web sites that will no longer load or display >> correctly with IE10. >> >> >> >> As for touch on a desktop…. Why? Last thing I would ever want is my >> monitor to look as bad as my cell phone does with fingerprints all over it >> and leaning over your desk to touch your screen for 8 to 10 hours a day >> will just ruin your shoulders and back. Honestly, there it very little that >> I have seen that a touch screen can do better than a standard keyboard and >> mouse/tablet. The whole reason for the tablet/cell phone interface is >> because you can’t use a keyboard/mouse on them. This whole idea of the >> desktop computer being dead is just silly. >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele >> Fragapane >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 05, 2013 5:00 PM >> >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Aw: RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors >> >> >> >> That said, Sam, I don't know where you read about all these instability >> and driver problems, but I would reconsider. >> >> Any well clued people I know using it finds it responsive, stable, and >> generally a well polished product, with only the UI being non-sensical >> without a touch device. >> >> Given touch sensitive monitors will no doubt become the standard even for >> desk-bound products at some point, I can't say it's a bad move on MS' end, >> just they should have found a better large surface alternative when they >> run that UI on monitors 22" and up, but you can always switch it to a more >> familiar mode if you really can't deal with it. >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau <luceri...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> the start menu has always been unusable, imho - you never know under >> which folder things will be hidding (company name, product name, suite >> name, random other name), there is too much crap in there and it got even >> less usable with XP auto hiding. this is just legacy stuff, crap we learn >> to be expert at using. what's important is that Microsoft still supports >> keyboard shortcuts and search >> >> Le 2013-05-05 14:04, "Sam" <sbowl...@cox.net> a écrit : >> >> >> >> People have good reason to hate windows 8. Because the metro cell phone >> menu is useless on a desktop PC. Windows 8 is even more than Vista, in fact >> more people are still using Vista than are using windows 8. I spent about a >> week with windows 8 and it’s really the most terrible UI I’ve ever used. I >> can’t see how anyone would think a grid of multi-sized (horridly colored) >> cubes that takes up your whole screen is easier to search than an >> alphabetized text list (with related items grouped in folders) that only >> takes up a small portion of your screen. >> >> >> >> Microsoft should have known better than to do this because it’s obvious >> that people do not like the metro interface. All you have to do is look at >> their cell phone market share. They tried to make their cell phone >> interface more popular by sticking it on their new OS, but instead, they >> made their new OS as popular as their cell phones… >> >> >> >> Not even going to get into the other problems, like compatibility, the >> apps interface and the driver problems I’ve read about. This is one place >> where they really should have copied apple. On a mac you can completely >> ignore all the cell phone crap they added. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Wuijster >> *Sent:* Saturday, May 04, 2013 1:27 AM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Aw: RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors >> >> >> >> Me neither, but apparently new stuff in Windows always leads to very >> extreme opinions. >> >> Just look at Win8 and the 'removal' of the start menu. Some people will >> almost go into cardiac arrest just talking about it. ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> \/-------------\/----------------\/ >> >> On 4-5-2013 0:13, Sam wrote: >> >> I never understood all the hate for Aero. >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Rob Wuijster >> *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2013 6:29 AM >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> *Subject:* Re: Aw: RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors >> >> >> >> Most apps rely on the default behavior of Windows itself. >> So by turning off Aero, you may introduce unwanted behavior in an >> app..... ;-) >> >> >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> \/-------------\/----------------\/ >> >> On 3-5-2013 15:22, Leo Quensel wrote: >> >> I have the same problem all the time. I hate Aero and don't want it. >> Why should we have to switch it on to prevent bugs from happening? >> >> >> >> Leo >> >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Mai 2013 um 15:03 Uhr >> *Von:* "Sean Donnelly" >> <sean.donne...@autodesk.com><sean.donne...@autodesk.com> >> *An:* "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> >> <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> <softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> >> *Betreff:* RE: Graphics update problem in animation editors >> >> Do you have Window Aero turned on? It should be. >> >> Sean >> >> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [ >> mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] >> On Behalf Of Dan Yargici >> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 8:43 AM >> To: Morten Bartholdy; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >> Subject: Re: Graphics update problem in animation editors >> >> I get it all the time in the Render Tree and ICE Tree, it can be really >> infuriating. >> >> DAN >> >> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Morten Bartholdy <x...@colorshopvfx.dk >> <mailto:x...@colorshopvfx.dk> <x...@colorshopvfx.dk>> wrote: >> >> I am experiencing an annoying problem with lacking update in animation >> editors and other curve editors. I can select (tag) a key and it will not >> show the tagged point - I have to move or resize the window to force an >> update. Sometimes only part of the window updates until I move or resize, >> making it difficult to work with any type of curve editor. >> >> >> >> I am on Soft 2013 SP1 Win7 x64, Geforce GTX 570 driver version 311.06. >> >> >> >> I am guessing this is not a bug, merely a driver issue, so I am curious >> to know if others have experienced something similar and if not, which >> version drivers you use? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Morten >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6292 - Release Date: 05/02/13 >> >> >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.3272 / Virus Database: 3162/6295 - Release Date: 05/03/13 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it >> and let them flee like the dogs they are! >> > > > > -- > Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! 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