What about support? Not worth the subscription cost either? From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 16 October 2013 14:11 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model
ugh complicates things a bit..well simplifies for AD but... As a matter of fact I'm right now in process of starting new studio but having suites and subscription shoveled by force.. doesn't feel good. Pushing suites when someone have absolutely no need for anything else from AD house... best option actually seems to be get latest one while there is still chance and then just keep using it for years. If any of new version at all ever get any meaningful update worth of buying (ie camera sequencer and current state of HQV is not something like that) then even getting whole new lics is better then being forced into subscriptions for years. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Graham Bell <graham.b...@autodesk.com<mailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com>> wrote: What I've described below is the current upgrade model, which (as it reads to me), will be discontinued from Feb 1st 2015. Which, yes, would mean that after that date, its Subs only or buy a new license if you have dropped off Subs and wish to upgrade to the current version. Sorry, I don't have any precise details at this time, so I can't absolutely confirm anything, but that's how it would read to me. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] On Behalf Of Mirko Jankovic Sent: 16 October 2013 12:41 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model So everyone that really saw no need to upgrade only like once in 3-5 years due to low or non version differences are getting spit in face? AD is killing option to buy Softimage 2014 now.. and then to upgrade to Softimage 2017 later on. So even if there is absolutely no need to be on subscription and paying for 2015 and 2016 due to lack of any useful deference between versions they are forcing people to keep paying all those years or to buy whole new suite later? Sorry if I got it wrong as I'm not really sure now if there will still be option to upgrade if you are 6 versions back or that option is killed completely so it is only subscription or new licence. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Graham Bell <graham.b...@autodesk.com<mailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com><mailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com<mailto:graham.b...@autodesk.com>>> wrote: Regarding the announcements made at the investor day, I posted this on another forum as part of an ongoing thread.... I think there's a lot of crossed wires here over his news and just assuming that Autodesk are following Adobe literally to the letter. Yes, there are Suites and now we have rental options (you can still buy perpetual), but this news is really just about Autodesk discontinuing their upgrade model. As of Feb 1st 2015 (still over a year away), users will be unable to upgrade old versions to the current version. Regarding upgrades and what the term actually means, this is the ability to upgrade an Autodesk product from a previous version to the current version. So for example, someone has purchased a product and they may have stopped their subscription (if they bought it) for a period of time, and they then wish to upgrade to the most current version of their software. Autodesk currently allow customer to upgrade their software to the current version, for a fee. Until this year, there were different upgrade pricing depending on how old the software version was, that someone wanted to upgrade from. Also, (if I recall) there was no limit to how old a version of software was, that someone wanted to upgrade. As of this year, the upgrade policy was changed and basically simplified. Only the previous 6 versions will remain upgradeable. Owners of older software versions who wanted the current version would need to purchase entirely new licenses. If you did have a version eligible for upgrading, a single pricing structure was put in place. User upgrading to the current version, would have to pay 70% of the new license price for an upgrade. Essentially, the idea of staying on an old version of software and then just paying to upgrade to the current version when you thought it was necessary, becomes detrimental to actually just keeping on subscription. To keep up to date and have previous version usage, it actually makes more sense to remain on subscription. G From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of Sebastien Sterling Sent: 16 October 2013 00:06 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model is this it for maya ? http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-maya/buy On 15 October 2013 23:48, Sergio Mucino <sergio.muc...@modusfx.com<mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com><mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com<mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com>><mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com<mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com><mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com<mailto:sergio.muc...@modusfx.com>>>> wrote: Autodesk is for some reason following Adobe's footsteps quite accurately. Adobe started selling suites... Adesk did. Adobe goes rental... Adesk follows. I really can't tell how positive or not the change will be, and what it will mean for the future of the tools... I guess we'll have to wait and see. The reactions to these decisions have been varied (some people are not happy at all, some are quite happy). [cid:image001.gif@01CECA6A.53B2BD50] On 15/10/2013 4:52 PM, Sven Constable wrote: Of course I meant one third of the costs for every tool, not three. And I used "thirds" as a term incorrectly. It was lost in translation. Sorry about that. sven From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of Sven Constable Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:33 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>> Subject: RE: Autodesk´s Sales model uhm, isn't he idea behind this model to cut any development costs by three thirds in particular and sell all three as one package for a higher price? And make it sound a good deal because costumers will get three tools instead of one even they don't need one or two of them? Maybe I do not comprehend here. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>>] On Behalf Of Daniel Brassard Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:16 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com><mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com>>> Subject: Re: Autodesk´s Sales model It is this article and the current Softimage cross-grade offer that make me decide to take the jump to the Ultimate Suite. I am glad I did, I can now test plugins and shaders on the three platforms and do other things as well. And enough money left for some nice plugins or apps too. AD may have a smart thing going here, let's see what the future bring. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Alan Fregtman <alan.fregt...@gmail.com<mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com><mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com<mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com>><mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com<mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com><mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com<mailto:alan.fregt...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: Did you read the whole thing? >From the article: "The plan is to shift customers away from single product purchases toward suites, and to move from buying perpetual licenses to acquiring software on long-term subscription or short-term rental." On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:56 PM, David Rivera <activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com<mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com><mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com<mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com>><mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com<mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com><mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com<mailto:activemotionpictu...@yahoo.com>>>> wrote: I came across this link: http://gfxspeak.com/2013/10/02/autodesk-sales-strategy-includes-discontinuing-upgrade-purchases/ So what happened to the "rental" sales model? David R.
