Thanks a lot Mario!
------------------------------------------------------- Emilio Hernández VFX & 3D animation. 2014-03-08 14:38 GMT-06:00 Mario Reitbauer <cont...@marioreitbauer.at>: > Sry Emilio it wasn't my intention to hurt any feelings. > I won't post anything like that anymore but gonna be helpful instead. > > So if we want to keep softimage there need to be reasons presented to the > managers they on the other hand can present to the shareholders. > > It needs to have an impact on the shareholders, otherwise AD management > won't care. What could those reasons be ? > 1) that many users won't migrate to maya > --> cancel your subscription immediatly and stay with the actual version > you got and tell them why you do it. > 2) deliver them a list of studios and people who will not migrate to maya > 3) i don't know what else shareholders and management could care about. > > In the end it's though to find anything which could impress the management > that much that they would continue to develop SI. > > > 2014-03-08 21:15 GMT+01:00 Emilio Hernandez <emi...@e-roja.com>: > > Well Mario, without any disrespect to your decision. >> >> Move on. We are holding here and we will. >> >> You have already made up your mind. So many of we. And it is really >> getting to start annoying that each time we are trying to put something. A >> guy with "Move on" pop in. >> >> I think that by at this time and specially with Autodesk's yesterday >> announcment that we can use Softimage perpetually. Many have alraeady made >> up their minds. >> >> So move on man! But please stop jumping in and say it is "useless". >> >> Cheers and I wish you the best in your decisions. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> Emilio Hernández VFX & 3D animation. >> >> >> 2014-03-08 14:09 GMT-06:00 Mario Reitbauer <cont...@marioreitbauer.at>: >> >> Mirko you are actually right. I guess it hits me harder then a lot of >>> others beeing a TD (and Animator). >>> >>> But I know allready that I need to do the transtion within the next >>> years and that I need to start yesterday. >>> Just want to share my sight of view that its time to move on, even if >>> they keep SI up. >>> Nontheless, the longer SI is out there the easier it makes us the >>> transition I guess. >>> >>> >>> 2014-03-08 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic <mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> Mario, I guess that most affected are specialized guys like you, like >>>> my friend Alessio.. TDs and similar with skills that are pretty focused to >>>> Softimage alone. >>>> Let's face it, to learn to animate, light, render... in Maya coming >>>> from Softimage, doesn't take much. Rigging is a bit different set of shoes. >>>> Also small shops, generalist pretty much anyone that is kinda self >>>> sustained is still not that affected as client doesn't ask what tool is >>>> used but just interested in final result. >>>> Also most of "small" guys are not even using like half of SI's power so >>>> even couple years without upgrades, unless some big bugs are there, is not >>>> a problem. >>>> But bigger shops will move from SI, with that also shortage of jobs for >>>> Softimage specialists. >>>> Once 3rd party developers start developing that is beginning of the >>>> real end. >>>> Truth is 3rd party guys put Softimage on steroids and developed for SI >>>> more than AD did and would do in the next 5 years at least. >>>> So it is easier to understand pessimism coming from couple of your >>>> posts. >>>> >>>> But there is still a lot of time even for you and similar cases to >>>> adapt, if needed well learn new tools and toys. >>>> There are a lot of shops that will still stay with Softimage for years >>>> to come so it is not like you will right away be left on dry, right?? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Mario Reitbauer < >>>> cont...@marioreitbauer.at> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would love to do that but as mentioned in another post. >>>>> >>>>> Now as we have seen what happend to SI (and might happen again if they >>>>> keep it up) which company is going to stick to SI ? >>>>> I mean were are we guys gonna find jobs with SI ? >>>>> >>>>> Don't you think the harm is allready done ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-03-08 20:30 GMT+01:00 Eric Turman <i.anima...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Nicely put Greg, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to add that I'm very weary of the "its just a tool" excuse. >>>>>> Sticks and rocks put together are tools too but they can not achieve the >>>>>> same quality in the brief period that a laser CNC machine can...and they >>>>>> are both "just tools." Softimage is an amazing a force multiplier that >>>>>> allows much smaller teams to accomplish tasks well beyond much larger >>>>>> teams >>>>>> using other tools. It is a very myopic move for Autodesk to stifle >>>>>> innovation. >>>>>> >>>>>> -=Eric Turman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Greg Punchatz >>>>>> <g...@janimation.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep up the noise people!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Change has already happened.... keep up the pressure folks. Write to >>>>>>> your congressman..Ermm, I mean this guy... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> chris.vienn...@autodesk.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please PLEASE... don't name call... but for god's sake let him know >>>>>>> why this is a BIG MISTAKE for his company and yours! It's worse for them >>>>>>> than it is for us, for them to kill soft..it simply makes no short or >>>>>>> long >>>>>>> term sense. They are doing nothing but alienating users, not just on the >>>>>>> Softimage side---as I have not met a single Maya or Max user that >>>>>>> actually >>>>>>> likes the company called Autodesk. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let him know that there is a market for Soft..and the ONLY reason >>>>>>> they are not making a killing on it is that they won't invest and market >>>>>>> it...that's it...otherwise it would have been gaining and growing the >>>>>>> user-base like mad. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It also gives AD a safety net... Maya is busting at the seams... >>>>>>> they are now having to make programs that run outside of Maya to do >>>>>>> a tenth of what ICE does...Biofrost... Bio-hazard is more like it from >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> word on the street. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it falls apart, and AD falls on its face, as it has many times >>>>>>> with attempted "rewrite" (Toxic any one?..remember that was supposed to >>>>>>> turn into the 3d app too..lol, how quickly people forget ADs blunders. >>>>>>> How >>>>>>> many millions were wasted on that dev...vs what it costs to buy and >>>>>>> maintain soft???). Soft is the only recently rewritten core...major >>>>>>> overhaul was done for ice.. major) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What Autodesk needs is a Walt Disney, a John Lassiter or dare I say >>>>>>> a Willy Wonka? It needs a visionary leader that has been in the >>>>>>> trenches of >>>>>>> all aspects of 3d and compositing. Who understands the needs of the big >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> small shops alike... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One who knows the future is not in a code base which is more than 24 >>>>>>> years old. One that understands that if the customer is happy, the stock >>>>>>> holders will be happy. The person should not be driven by board >>>>>>> meetings, >>>>>>> but rather exciting the entire 3d user base instead of alienating them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One who understands that what makes a great development team is >>>>>>> great and transparent interaction with its beta testers.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One who is not afraid to let one product outshine the rest on its >>>>>>> own merits...(like the Whiskey Tree elysium demo that was axed at >>>>>>> siggraph >>>>>>> last year since it outshone the Disney technology AD licensed.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One that understands there should be a production team at AD using >>>>>>> their products to produce short films, so they have a freaking clue what >>>>>>> the real world needs...this is how both softimage and alias used to do >>>>>>> it...before they were bought by companies that simply don't understand >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> creativity works... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One that the user aspires to be like......because that person "makes >>>>>>> the cool stuff" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> AD you are making creative software...AD needs to foster a creative >>>>>>> culture...period. IF AD thinks you have, I can assure you that you have >>>>>>> not... your results speak for themselves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't kill Soft, prop it up and keep it viable...and MARKET IT! >>>>>>> It can already do so much your other two 3d apps can't... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do the same with the rest... keep them alive..until AD delivers a >>>>>>> new modern app that we will all be happy to move to. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -=T=- >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
