quoting Raf here from cgtalk forum last night. was going to tweet but too long, wish I had listened to this kind of advice in 2008
"If you are an AD M&E client, be it Maya, Max, MoBu, Mudbox or anything else that isn't Soft, and this hasn't alarmed you in the least, you are a shortsighted fool." are all Autodesk M&E customers short sighted fools? they sure as hell treat us that way On 18 March 2014 20:27, Bk <p...@bustykelp.com> wrote: > > I don't "find it hard to believe". > > > Autodesk have shown clear as crystal that they don't care, at least not > humanly care. They "care" in a managed collateral damage kind of way, but it > all comes back to what can you get away with that will have minimal negative > impact on your company. > > If autodesk had any shred of decency, they would bend over backwards to help > the customers who's lives they have turned upside down, not enforce time > limits and restrict ability to get new seats etc. > You have done as a company one of the worse things you could have done for > Softimage users by EOL ing the software we have spent our careers mastering, > but that is no the half of it.The part that really stings is the adding of > insult to injury through blatant manipulative strong arm tactics. > It's a modern equivalent of Europe storming the Americas and we are the > natives. The Europeans justified it to themselves that they were bringing > civilisation to the savages. You no doubt think believe that you are > offering us something of value too and we just cant see it, but that shows > utter disregard for a viewpoint other than your(AD's) own. > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Maurice Patel > <maurice.pa...@autodesk.com<mailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com>> wrote: > Hi Paul, Adam > We do understand that people build their livelihoods on our software. This > is something we take seriously, although (with good reason) you might find > it hard to believe right now. Every year we spend significant resources > maintaining legacy code so that the new features we add to our products > don't radically disrupt customers workflows. We really do try not to take > unnecessary risks with our software. And we have an incredibly long track > record of developing software for the long term - one can just look at > AutoCAD and 3ds Max. Even acquisitions like Flame and Maya have continued to > be extensively developed at Autodesk as have other product acquisitions. > > We have stated and are committed both to developing our core products and to > innovating. Our decision to focus on 3ds max and Maya was so we could > continue to do both adequately (not one or the other). We are a high tech > company so it wouldn't be realistic to expect us not to try to innovate even > if the risks are high. That does not mean that is all we do. > > I am not denying that Softimage customers are now facing some challenging > decisions. But several have said on the forum, and I would personally agree > with them, that in this industry - as in any high-tech industry - it can be > risky to have all your eggs in one basket, even if that means looking > outside of Autodesk (and there are some very interesting solutions out > there). Giants fall (look at SGI). We are not immune to that either. > Personally, I do not think that will happen, but no one at Autodesk will > ever make any explicit guarantees about the future. All I can say is make > your software decisions based on what you see today - anything else would > be, to a certain extent, vaporware and speculation, especially the farther > out you look. > > maurice > > > Maurice Patel > Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134<tel:514%20954-7134> > From: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com>] > On Behalf Of Paul Griswold > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:15 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com<mailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com> > Subject: Re: Autodesk webinar > In Softimage we have a production-proven, solid tool. ICE works TODAY, not > 2 years from today, not in a dream of a product called Bifrost, but right > NOW. > > Are you telling everyone here who has based their ENTIRE business around > Softimage, we should trust Autodesk to have a fully functioning tool ready > that will do EVERYTHING Softimage can do TODAY by the time Softimage hits > the end? We should believe that after you've just admitted that Skyline was > a failure? > > These aren't a bunch of ideas or concepts here, these are our businesses! > We feed our families, we pay our bills, we survive based on Softimage and > now we have to hope that somehow Bifrost is not in the 99% failure, but 1% > innovation? > > Do you seriously want us to bet our future on that? Would you go home and > tell your significant other that rather than focusing on a tool that works > for you, makes money for you right now, you're betting everything on a > promise from Autodesk?? > > Who on earth does business like that?? Is Autodesk going to pay our > mortgages or feed our families when Bifrost falls apart? Because unless > that's the plan, I can't think of a single sane person who would go along > with this Maya-only plan. > > This is absolutely a terrible way to do business and everyone at Autodesk > knows it. They've just dug in their heels to avoid looking like they've > made a colossal mistake. > > -Paul > > > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Adam Sale > <adamfs...@gmail.com<mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com><mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com<mailto:adamfs...@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > Maurice, in all of this talk the one glaring omission is this. You guys are > always trying to innovate. You have said success is often 99 percent failure > to one percent success. Well, in the event bifrost falls by the wayside like > skyline did, all of a sudden autodesk will have zero node based solutions to > do the type of ice work we expect of a dcc product. How is that a wise move > as a company? Its like throwing out the baby with the bath water and seems > incredibly short sighted. So as we move to bifrost to begin our transition > away from ICE, we may be in this same mess a couple years down the road if > it doesnt pan out. Imagine the fallout then.. people will go absolutely > nuclear on AD. > > Adam > > <winmail.dat>
