You hit the nail on the head with “Slow stop-start workflows can stall your creative flow”, that is the critical factor for me as well, in the sense that in a few occasions (may be too many?) you are forced/invited to stop your creative flow to write your own tool (for example a path deform) and that should be there from the start. This is getting better though so I am hopeful.
But I do not agree with your suggestion of “wrapping”, the self tools really is a framework to do those but I don’t think SideFX should be the one promoting traditional workflows because I suspect it will lead to linear networks and although the motive is great, the result may be a non-Houdini approach, remember Houdini is a huge massively parallel ICE network. And yes, Softimage workflow is/was king, no doubt… Jb > On 11 May 2018, at 14:28, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > > I Agree. > > I know that Houdini has a wider scope and thus more ability to achieve > ultimately whatever you want, than XSI / ICE. > However, in my character workflow, I’m diving into ICE, making a deformer, > going back and adding shapes, reading nearby surfaces, and in ICE using them > to rotate the vectors of shapes deltas, readjusting the shapes, and generally > ping ponging around between programming and using ‘traditional’ tools to feed > into the procedure that leads to the final result. In XSI that all happens > without the slightest delay or workaround as everything is just there. for me > personally, I can do everything i wish to do with ICE/XSI. > Obviously I know XSI inside out which helps, but my forays into Houdini never > give me hope that I will ever have that workflow at my fingertips. > I feel like it needs a layer above the deeper procedural approach, that gives > you some tools to manage blendshapes etc. Maya now has a decent version of > Softimage’s shape mixer. I know that Houdini doesnt’ want to keep its > ‘everything procedural’ approach but sometimes you just want to make a shape > and thats it, and you might want to see it in context of the rig, and be able > to do a ‘secondary shape mode’ etc, and not have to make your own ‘tools’ to > do this. Sculpting is not something that fits well within Houdini’s > philosophy, but again ,if you want to do characters, then its a necessary > thing to be able to make poses look good. and you dont always want to export, > Zbrush it, import. hook up blendshape shape etc.. Slow stop-start workflows > can stall your creative flow. > > I definitely think that if they can add a level of ‘art’ tools that can feed > back into the procedural system seamlessly without interfering , then it > would make Houdini more appealing and fun to use. > > From: Alastair Hearsum <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 2:03 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Houdini : non VFX jobs? > > I see ease of access as a liberating force > > On 11/05/2018 12:47, Jordi Bares wrote: >> I see technology and maths as a liberation force so I want to think it is >> about a personal attitude towards the challenge of getting out of your >> comfort zone, not age (but may be the fact that keep getting older makes me >> biased?? ;-) >> >> jb >> >>> On 10 May 2018, at 20:38, Olivier Jeannel <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm from an old fine art degree. Proceduralism and other math / vector >>> thingy are the best creative things that happened to me :) >> >> >> >> >> ------ >> Softimage Mailing List. >> To unsubscribe, send a mail to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> with "unsubscribe" in the >> subject, and reply to confirm. > > -- > Alastair Hearsum > Creative Director of 3d > > > 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