On Apr 22, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Erik Hatcher wrote:


On Apr 22, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Chris Hostetter wrote:
 1) JDK logging is first and foremost an API, with a default
implementation. If people spent as much time writing implementations of that API as they do writing other logging frameworks, or tweaking apps to work with multiple frameworks, the world would be a much better place.

+1

I'm also opposed (sorry Grant) to tossing in a 3rd party library for logging when the built-in logging facility is sufficient, configurable, and adaptable already.

It's only adaptable if you want to write code. Why the heck would I ever put my configuration into the JRE extensions or wherever it goes? I suppose I can use System properties, too, but that is convoluted and doesn't play all that nice b/c it's per JVM, so then I'm left writing my own facility, which I bet a good deal of people do, which they then end up w/ something like Log4j.

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