Jeff - Looking at the page, I'm unclear exactly how to set things up. I get using the blob api and I get adding the blob/jar to the collection, but the bit about runtimeLib=true is confusing.
Does that go on the entry in the solrconfig.xml file like this? Is anything else required? (The bit about the valuesourceyparser is a bit confusing) <queryParser name="synonym_edismax" class=" com.github.healthonnet.search.SynonymExpandingExtendedDismaxQParserPlugin" runtimeLib="true"> Thanks On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 5:02 PM, John Bickerstaff <j...@johnbickerstaff.com> wrote: > Thanks Jeff, > > I believe I tried that, and it still refused to load.. But I'd sure love > it to work since the other process is a bit convoluted - although I see > it's value in a large Solr installation. > > When I "locate" the jar on the linux command line I get: > > > /opt/solr-5.4.0/server/solr-webapp/webapp/WEB-INF/lib/hon-lucene-synonyms-2.0.0.jar > > But the log file is still carrying class not found exceptions when I > restart... > > Are you in "Cloud" mode? What version of Solr are you using? > > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Jeff Wartes <jwar...@whitepages.com> > wrote: > >> I’ve generally been dropping foreign plugin jars in this dir: >> server/solr-webapp/webapp/WEB-INF/lib/ >> This is because it then gets loaded by the same classloader as Solr >> itself, which can be useful if you’re, say, overriding some >> solr-protected-space method. >> >> If you don’t care about the classloader, I believe you can use whatever >> dir you want, with the appropriate bit of solrconfig.xml to load it. >> Something like: >> <lib regex=".*\.jar" dir="${solr.install.dir}/dist"/> >> >> >> On 5/31/16, 2:13 PM, "John Bickerstaff" <j...@johnbickerstaff.com> wrote: >> >> >All -- >> > >> >I'm now attempting to use the hon_lucene_synonyms project from github. >> > >> >I found the documents that were infered by the dead links on the readme >> in >> >the repository -- however, given that I'm using Solr 5.4.x, I no longer >> >have the need to integrate into a war file (as far as I can see). >> > >> >The suggestion on the readme is that I can drop the hon_lucene_synonyms >> jar >> >file into the $SOLR_HOME directory, but this does not seem to be working >> - >> >I'm getting class not found exceptions. >> > >> >Does anyone on this list have direct experience with getting this plugin >> to >> >work in Solr 5.x? >> > >> >Thanks in advance... >> > >> >On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:57 PM, MaryJo Sminkey <mjsmin...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> It's been awhile since I installed it so I really can't say. I'm more >> of a >> >> code monkey than a server gal (particularly Linux... I'm amazed I got >> Solr >> >> installed in the first place, LOL!) So I had asked our network guy to >> look >> >> it over recently and see if it looked like I did it okay. He said >> since it >> >> shows up in the list of jars in the Solr admin that it's installed.... >> if >> >> that's not necessarily true, I probably need to point him in the right >> >> direction for what else to do since he really doesn't know Solr well >> >> either. >> >> >> >> Mary Jo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 7:49 PM, John Bickerstaff < >> >> j...@johnbickerstaff.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Thanks for the comment Mary Jo... >> >> > >> >> > The error loading the class rings a bell - did you find and follow >> >> > instructions for adding that to the WAR file? I vaguely remember >> seeing >> >> > something about that. >> >> > >> >> > I'm going to try my own tests on the auto phrasing one.. If I'm >> >> > successful, I'll post back. >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 3:45 PM, MaryJo Sminkey <mjsmin...@gmail.com >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > This is a very timely discussion for me as well as we're trying to >> >> tackle >> >> > > the multi term synonym issue as well and have not been able to >> >> hon-lucene >> >> > > plugin to work, the jar shows up as installed but when we set up >> the >> >> > sample >> >> > > request handler it throws this error: >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> org.apache.solr.common.SolrException:org.apache.solr.common.SolrException: >> >> > > Error loading class >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> 'com.github.healthonnet.search.SynonymExpandingExtendedDismaxQParserPlugin' >> >> > > >> >> > > I have tried the auto-phrasing one as well (I did set up a field >> using >> >> > copy >> >> > > to configure it on) but when testing it didn't seem to return the >> >> > synonyms >> >> > > as expected. So gave up on that one too (am willing to give it >> another >> >> > try >> >> > > though, that was awhile ago). Would definitely like to hear what >> other >> >> > > people have found works on the latest versions of Solr 5.x and/or >> 6. >> >> Just >> >> > > sucks that this issue has never been fixed in the core product such >> >> that >> >> > > you still need to mess with plugins and patches to get such a basic >> >> > > functionality working properly. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > *Mary Jo Sminkey* >> >> > > *Senior ColdFusion Developer* >> >> > > >> >> > > *CF Webtools* >> >> > > You Dream It... We Build It. <https://www.cfwebtools.com/> >> >> > > 11204 Davenport Suite 100 >> >> > > Omaha, Nebraska 68154 >> >> > > O: 402.408.3733 x128 >> >> > > E: maryjo.smin...@cfwebtools.com >> >> > > Skype: maryjos.cfwebtools >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 5:02 PM, John Bickerstaff < >> >> > > j...@johnbickerstaff.com> >> >> > > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > So I'm looking at the solution mentioned here: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://lucidworks.com/blog/2014/07/12/solution-for-multi-term-synonyms-in-lucenesolr-using-the-auto-phrasing-tokenfilter/ >> >> > > > >> >> > > > The thing that's troubling me slightly is that the way it's >> >> documented >> >> > it >> >> > > > seems to be missing a small but important link... >> >> > > > >> >> > > > What exactly causes the results listed to be returned? >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Here's my thought process: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 1. The entry for /autophrase searchHandler does not specify a >> default >> >> > > > search field. >> >> > > > 2. The field type "text_autophrase" is set up as the one with the >> >> > > > AutoPhrasingFilterFactory as part of it's indexing >> >> > > > >> >> > > > There isn't any mention (perhaps because it's too obvious) of the >> >> need >> >> > to >> >> > > > copy or otherwise get data into the "text_autophrase" field at >> index >> >> > > time. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > There isn't any explicit listing of "text_autophrase" as the >> default >> >> > > search >> >> > > > field in the /autophrase search handler >> >> > > > >> >> > > > There isn't any explicit statement of "df=text_autophrase" in the >> >> query >> >> > > > statment: [/autophrase?q=New+York] >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Therefore it seems to me that if someone tries to implement this, >> >> > they're >> >> > > > going to be disappointed in the results unless they: >> >> > > > a. copy or otherwise get ALL the text they're interested in -- >> into >> >> the >> >> > > > "text_autophrase" field as part of the schema.xml setup (to >> happen at >> >> > > index >> >> > > > time) >> >> > > > b. somehow explicitly declare "text_autophrase" as the default >> search >> >> > > field >> >> > > > - either in the searchHandler or wherever else the default field >> is >> >> > > > configured. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > If anyone out there has done this specific approach - could you >> >> > validate >> >> > > > whether my thought process is correct and / or if I'm missing >> >> > something? >> >> > > > Yes - I get that I can set it all up and try - but it's what I >> don't >> >> > > know I >> >> > > > don't know that bothers me... >> >> > > > >> >> > > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:57 AM, John Bickerstaff < >> >> > > > j...@johnbickerstaff.com >> >> > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you Steve -- very helpful. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > I can see that whatever implementation I decide to try, some >> >> testing >> >> > > will >> >> > > > > be in order. If anyone is aware of significant gotchas with >> this >> >> > > synonym >> >> > > > > thing that are not mentioned in the already-listed URLs, please >> >> feel >> >> > > free >> >> > > > > to comment. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Steve Rowe <sar...@gmail.com >> > >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I’m working on addressing problems using multi-term synonyms >> at >> >> > query >> >> > > > >> time in Lucene and Solr. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> I recommend these two blogs for understanding the issues (the >> >> second >> >> > > one >> >> > > > >> was mentioned earlier in this thread): >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> < >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> http://blog.mikemccandless.com/2012/04/lucenes-tokenstreams-are-actually.html >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> < >> >> > https://nolanlawson.com/2012/10/31/better-synonym-handling-in-solr/> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> In addition to the already-mentioned projects, there is also: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-5379> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> All of these projects try in various ways to work around the >> fact >> >> > that >> >> > > > >> Lucene’s QueryParser splits on whitespace before sending text >> to >> >> > > > analysis, >> >> > > > >> one token at a time, so in a synonym filter, multi-word >> synonyms >> >> can >> >> > > > never >> >> > > > >> match and add alternatives. See < >> >> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-2605>, where >> I’ve >> >> > > posted a >> >> > > > >> patch to directly address that problem - note that it’s still >> a >> >> work >> >> > > in >> >> > > > >> progress. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> Once LUCENE-2605 has been fixed, there is still work to do >> getting >> >> > > > >> (e)dismax to work with the modified Lucene QueryParser, and >> >> > addressing >> >> > > > >> problems with how queries are constructed from Lucene’s >> >> “sausagized” >> >> > > > token >> >> > > > >> stream. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> -- >> >> > > > >> Steve >> >> > > > >> www.lucidworks.com >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> > On May 26, 2016, at 2:21 PM, John Bickerstaff < >> >> > > > j...@johnbickerstaff.com> >> >> > > > >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > Thanks Chris -- >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > The two projects I'm aware of are: >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > https://github.com/healthonnet/hon-lucene-synonyms >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > and the one referenced from the Lucidworks page here: >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://lucidworks.com/blog/2014/07/12/solution-for-multi-term-synonyms-in-lucenesolr-using-the-auto-phrasing-tokenfilter/ >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > ... which is here : >> >> > > > >> https://github.com/LucidWorks/auto-phrase-tokenfilter >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > Is there anything else out there that you would recommend I >> look >> >> > at? >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chris Morley < >> >> > ch...@depahelix.com >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> Chris Morley here, from Wayfair. (Depahelix = my domain) >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Suyash Sonawane and I have worked on multiple word >> synonyms at >> >> > > > Wayfair. >> >> > > > >> >> We worked mostly off of Ted Sullivan's work and also off of >> >> some >> >> > > > >> >> suggestions from Koorosh Vakhshoori. We have gotten to a >> point >> >> > > where >> >> > > > >> we >> >> > > > >> >> have a more sophisticated internal implementation, however, >> >> we've >> >> > > > found >> >> > > > >> >> that it is very difficult to make it do what you want it >> to do, >> >> > and >> >> > > > >> also be >> >> > > > >> >> sufficiently performant. Watch out for exceptional >> situations >> >> > with >> >> > > > mm >> >> > > > >> >> (minimum should match). >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> Trey Grainger (now at Lucidworks) and Simon Hughes of >> Dice.com >> >> > have >> >> > > > >> also >> >> > > > >> >> done work in this area. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> It should be very possible to get this kind of thing >> working on >> >> > > > >> >> SolrCloud. I haven't tried it yet but I think >> theoretically, >> >> it >> >> > > > should >> >> > > > >> >> just work. The synonyms stuff is mostly about doing >> things at >> >> > > index >> >> > > > >> time >> >> > > > >> >> and query time. The index time stuff should translate to >> >> > SolrCloud >> >> > > > >> >> directly, while the query time stuff might pose some >> issues, >> >> but >> >> > > > >> probably >> >> > > > >> >> not too bad, if there are any issues at all. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> I've had decent luck porting our various plugins from >> 4.10.x to >> >> > > 5.5.0 >> >> > > > >> >> because a lot of stuff is just Java, and it still works >> within >> >> > the >> >> > > > >> Jetty >> >> > > > >> >> context. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> -Chris. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> > > > >> >> From: "John Bickerstaff" <j...@johnbickerstaff.com> >> >> > > > >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:51 PM >> >> > > > >> >> To: solr-user@lucene.apache.org >> >> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Solr Cloud and Multi-word Synonyms :: >> >> > synonym_edismax >> >> > > > >> parser >> >> > > > >> >> Hey Jeff (or anyone interested in multi-word synonyms) >> here are >> >> > > some >> >> > > > >> >> potentially interesting links... >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/solr/QueryParser (search the page >> for >> >> > > > >> >> synonum_edismax) >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > >> https://nolanlawson.com/2012/10/31/better-synonym-handling-in-solr/ >> >> > > > >> (blog >> >> > > > >> >> post about what became the synonym_edissmax Query Parser) >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://lucidworks.com/blog/2014/07/12/solution-for-multi-term-synonyms-in-lucenesolr-using-the-auto-phrasing-tokenfilter/ >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> This last was useful for lots of reasons and contains >> links to >> >> > > other >> >> > > > >> >> interesting, related web pages... >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jeff Wartes < >> >> > > > jwar...@whitepages.com> >> >> > > > >> >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >>> Oh, interesting. I've certainty encountered issues with >> >> > multi-word >> >> > > > >> >>> synonyms, but I hadn't come across this. If you end up >> using >> >> it >> >> > > > with a >> >> > > > >> >>> recent solr verison, I'd be glad to hear your experience. >> >> > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > >> >>> I haven't used it, but I am aware of one other project in >> this >> >> > > vein >> >> > > > >> that >> >> > > > >> >>> you might be interested in looking at: >> >> > > > >> >>> https://github.com/LucidWorks/auto-phrase-tokenfilter >> >> > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > >> >>> On 5/26/16, 9:29 AM, "John Bickerstaff" < >> >> > j...@johnbickerstaff.com >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > >> >>>> Ahh - for question #3 I may have spoken too soon. This >> line >> >> > from >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > >> >>>> github repository readme suggests a way. >> >> > > > >> >>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>> Update: We have tested to run with the jar in >> $SOLR_HOME/lib >> >> as >> >> > > > well, >> >> > > > >> >> and >> >> > > > >> >>>> it works (Jetty). >> >> > > > >> >>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>> I'll try that and only respond back if that doesn't work. >> >> > > > >> >>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>> Questions 1 and 2 still stand of course... If anyone on >> the >> >> > list >> >> > > > has >> >> > > > >> >>>> experience in this area... >> >> > > > >> >>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>> Thanks. >> >> > > > >> >>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:25 AM, John Bickerstaff < >> >> > > > >> >>> j...@johnbickerstaff.com >> >> > > > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> Hi all, >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> I'm creating a Solr Cloud that will index and search >> medical >> >> > > text. >> >> > > > >> >>>>> Multi-word synonyms are a pretty important factor. >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> I find that there are some challenges around multi-word >> >> > synonyms >> >> > > > >> and I >> >> > > > >> >>>>> also found on the wiki that there is a recommended >> 3rd-party >> >> > > > parser >> >> > > > >> >>>>> (synonym_edismax parser) created by Nolan Lawson and >> found >> >> > here: >> >> > > > >> >>>>> https://github.com/healthonnet/hon-lucene-synonyms >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> Here's the thing - the instructions on the github site >> >> involve >> >> > > > >> >> bringing >> >> > > > >> >>>>> the jar file into the war file - which is not >> applicable any >> >> > > > more... >> >> > > > >> >> at >> >> > > > >> >>>>> least I think it's not... >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> I have three questions: >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> 1. Is this still a good solution for multi-word synonyms >> >> (I.e. >> >> > > > Solr >> >> > > > >> >>> Cloud >> >> > > > >> >>>>> doesn't break it in some way) >> >> > > > >> >>>>> 2. Is there a tool or plug-in out there that the >> >> contributors >> >> > > > would >> >> > > > >> >>>>> recommend above this one? >> >> > > > >> >>>>> 3. Assuming 1 = yes and 2 = no, can anyone tell me an >> >> updated >> >> > > > >> >> procedure >> >> > > > >> >>>>> for bringing it in to Solr Cloud (I'm running 5.4.x) >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>>>> Thanks >> >> > > > >> >>>>> >> >> > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > >> >>> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >