Thanks for that. I totally get how it is with complicated, open source projects. And from experience, I realize that beginner-level documentation is really hard, especially with these kinds of projects: by the time you get to documentation, everybody involved is so expert in all the details that they can't imagine approaching from a blank slate.
Thanks for the suggestions. Had to chuckle, though: one of your links ( quora.com) is the one that I started with. Step 1: "Download Solr, actually do the tutorial ..." Best wishes, James On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:41 PM, John Bickerstaff <j...@johnbickerstaff.com> wrote: > I totally empathize about the sense of wasted time. On Solr in particular > I pulled my hair out for months - and I had access to people who had been > using it for over two years!!! > > For what it's worth - this is kind of how it goes with most open source > projects in my experience. It's painful - and - the more moving parts the > open source project has, the more painful the learning curve (usually)... > > But - the good news is that's why this list is here - we're all trying to > help each other, so feel free to ping the list sooner rather than later > when you're frustrated. My new rule is one hour of being blocked... I > used to wait days - but everyone on the list seems to really understand how > frustrating it is to be stuck and people have really taken time to help me > - so I'm less hesitant. And, of course, I try to pay it forward by > contributing as much as I can in the same way. > > On that note: I've been particularly focused on working with Solr in terms > of being able to keep upgrading simple by just replacing and re-indexing so > if you have questions on that space (Disaster Recovery, Zookeeper config, > etc) I may be able to help - and if you're looking for "plan" for building > and maintaining a simple solrCloud working model on Ubuntu VMs on > VirtualBox, I can *really* help you. > > Off the top of my head - some places to start: > > http://yonik.com/getting-started-with-solr/ > https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-way-to-learn-SOLR > http://blog.outerthoughts.com/2015/11/learning-solr-comprehensively/ > http://www.solr-start.com/ > > I think everyone responsible for those links is also a frequent "helper" on > this email forum. > > Also (and I'm aware it's a glass half-full thing which frequently irritates > me, but I'll say it anyway). Having run into this problem I'm willing to > wager you'll never forget this particular quirk and if you see the problem > in future, you'll know exactly what's wrong. It shouldn't have been > "wrong" with the example, but for my part at least - I've begun to think of > stuff like this as just part of the learning curve because it happens > nearly every time. > > Software is hard - complex projects like SOLR are hard. It's why we get > paid to do stuff like this. I'm actually getting paid pretty well right > now because Solr is recognized as difficult and I have (with many thanks to > this list) become known as someone who "knows Solr"... > > It *could* and *should* be better, but open source is what it is as a > result of the sum total of what everyone has contributed - and we're all > happy to help you as best we can. > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Pritchett, James < > jpritch...@learningally.org> wrote: > > > Second possibility: You've somehow indexed fields as > > "string" type rather than one of the text based fieldTypes. > > "string" types are not tokenized, thus a field with > > "My dog has fleas" will fail to find "My". It'll even not match > > "my dog has fleas" (note capital "M"). > > > > That appears to be the issue. Searching for name:Foundation indeed > returns > > the expected result. I will now go find some better entry point to SOLR > > than the tutorial, which has wasted enough of my time for one day. Any > > suggestions would be welcome. > > > > James > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Erick Erickson < > erickerick...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My bet: > > > the fields (look in managed_schema or, possibly schema.xml) > > > has stored="true" and indexed="false" set for the fields > > > in question. > > > > > > Pretty much everyone takes a few passes before this really > > > makes sense. "stored" means you see the results returned, > > > "indexed" must be true before you can search on something. > > > > > > Second possibility: You've somehow indexed fields as > > > "string" type rather than one of the text based fieldTypes. > > > "string" types are not tokenized, thus a field with > > > "My dog has fleas" will fail to find "My". It'll even not match > > > "my dog has fleas" (note capital "M"). > > > > > > The admin UI>>select core>>analysis page will show you > > > lots of this kind of detail, although I admit it takes a bit to > > > understand all the info (do un-check the "verbose" button > > > for the nonce). > > > > > > Now, all that aside, please show us the field definition for > > > one of the fields in question and, as John mentions, the exact > > > query (I'd also ass &debugQuery=true to the results). > > > > > > Saying you followed the exact instructions somewhere isn't > > > really helpful. It's likely that there's something innocent-seeming > > > that was done differently. Giving the information asked for > > > will help us diagnose what's happening and, perhaps, > > > improve the docs if we can understand the mis-match. > > > > > > Best, > > > Erick > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Pritchett, James > > > <jpritch...@learningally.org> wrote: > > > > I am following the exact instructions in the tutorial: copy and > pasting > > > all > > > > commands & queries from the tutorial: > > > > https://lucene.apache.org/solr/quickstart.html. Where it breaks down > > is > > > > this one: > > > > > > > > http://localhost:8983/solr/gettingstarted/select?wt=json&; > > > indent=true&q=name:foundation > > > > > > > > This returns no results. Tried in the web admin view as well, also > > tried > > > > various field:value combinations to no avail. Clearly something > didn't > > > get > > > > configured correctly, but I saw no error messages when running all > the > > > data > > > > loads, etc. given in the tutorial. > > > > > > > > Sorry to be so clueless, but I don't really have anything to go on > for > > > > troubleshooting besides asking dumb questions. > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:24 AM, John Bickerstaff < > > > j...@johnbickerstaff.com > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Please share the exact query syntax? > > > >> > > > >> Are you using a collection you built or one of the examples? > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Pritchett, James < > > > >> jpritch...@learningally.org> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > I apologize if this is a really stupid question. I followed all > > > >> > instructions on installing Tutorial, got data loaded, everything > > works > > > >> > great until I try to query with a field name -- e.g., > > > name:foundation. I > > > >> > get zero results from this or any other query which specifies a > > field > > > >> name. > > > >> > Simple queries return results, and the field names are listed in > > those > > > >> > results correctly. But if I query using names that I know are > there > > > and > > > >> > values that I know are there, I get nothing. > > > >> > > > > >> > I figure this must be something basic that is not right about the > > way > > > >> > things have gotten set up, but I am completely blocked at this > > point. > > > I > > > >> > tried blowing it all away and restarting from scratch with no > luck. > > > Where > > > >> > should I be looking for problems here? 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