Agreed some AHJ's are the problem, no different then some contractors, architects, engineers and builders are problems.
This argument is akin to saying that the police in town X don't enforce the speed limit but in town Y they do......lack of enforcement of our laws doesn't make it right. No one looks bad if they act professionally. Let the GC know up front what the code requires and provide same with the requirement. If the GC chooses to ignore it then at the very least they can't say you didn't inform them. Honesty is the best policy, may cost you some work but it probably wasn't work that you would want anyway, so be selective. John Drucker -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: hydraulic elevators George, The AHJ's are the problem!! They say "we want what code says" but they are allowing other contractors to get away with it because the AHJ's do not know what they are doing! Here is the flip side of doing things right; if the AHJ is allowing other contractors to get away with this type of stuff then we end up looking bad to the GC's when we scream foul on their jobs when the electrical contractor hits them with the shunt trip change order and the GC did not have to do provide on previous jobs due to non-compliant contractors. And BTW, we are not infallible and have our own shortcomings as well so I am not trying to be "holier than thou" so to speak, but I appreciate the kind comments. Greg Living Water Fire Protection, LLC 1160 McKenzie Road Cantonment, FL 32533 850-937-1850 Fax: 850-937-1852 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: hydraulic elevators Perhaps everyone else in the area installs to #13R ? Perhaps a call to the local AHJ(s) would clear up whether you're the only one doing it correctly, in which case maybe your competitors will be a little dismayed to find themselves going back and retrofitting their bottoms. The call to the AHJ(s) could be two-fold: ask them if they believe it should be required; and ask WHY it is not- you may find in the near future you're no longer alone in the shaft. George Church Rowe Sprinkler -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David de Vries/Firetech Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: hydraulic elevators Pat on the back to the only contractor in the area complying with this provision of 13. -- David de Vries, P.E., CSP [EMAIL PROTECTED] -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > We are receiving mixed reviews from AHJ's regarding this issue: Are > sprinklers required in the bottom of hydraulic elevator shafts? > > I know what the code says but we have never been able to document that ANY > hydraulic elev fluid is non-combustible by definition. I was informed this > morning that we are the only contractor in the area putting sprinklers in > the bottom of these shafts. > > Thanks, > Greg McGahan > > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
