Agreed some AHJ's are the problem, no different then some contractors,
architects, engineers and builders are problems.

This argument is akin to saying that the police in town X don't enforce
the speed limit but in town Y they do......lack of enforcement of our
laws doesn't make it right.

No one looks bad if they act professionally. Let the GC know up front
what the code requires and provide same with the requirement. If the GC
chooses to ignore it then at the very least they can't say you didn't
inform them. Honesty is the best policy, may cost you some work but it
probably wasn't work that you would want anyway, so be selective.

John Drucker

  

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg
McGahan
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: hydraulic elevators

George,

The AHJ's are the problem!! They say "we want what code says" but they
are
allowing other contractors to get away with it because the AHJ's do not
know
what they are doing!

Here is the flip side of doing things right; if the AHJ is allowing
other
contractors to get away with this type of stuff then we end up looking
bad
to the GC's when we scream foul on their jobs when the electrical
contractor
hits them with the shunt trip change order and the GC did not have to do
provide on previous jobs due to non-compliant contractors.

And BTW, we are not infallible and have our own shortcomings as well so
I am
not trying to be "holier than thou" so to speak, but I appreciate the
kind
comments.
Greg

Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: hydraulic elevators

Perhaps everyone else in the area installs to #13R ?
Perhaps a call to the local AHJ(s) would clear up whether you're the
only
one doing it correctly, in which case maybe your competitors will be a
little dismayed to find themselves going back and retrofitting their
bottoms. The call to the AHJ(s) could be two-fold: ask them if they
believe
it should be required; and ask WHY it is not- you may find in the near
future you're no longer alone in the shaft.

George Church
Rowe Sprinkler

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David de
Vries/Firetech
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: hydraulic elevators

Pat on the back to the only contractor in the area complying with this
provision of 13.

--
David de Vries, P.E., CSP 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Greg McGahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> 
> We are receiving mixed reviews from AHJ's regarding this issue: Are 
> sprinklers required in the bottom of hydraulic elevator shafts? 
> 
> I know what the code says but we have never been able to document that
ANY

> hydraulic elev fluid is non-combustible by definition. I was informed
this

> morning that we are the only contractor in the area putting sprinklers
in 
> the bottom of these shafts. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Greg McGahan 
> 
> 
> 

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