First, for those of you who are not fire service types...you really need
to get up to speed on the fundamentals and the tactics if you are
designing what are manual firefighting components.  Talk to your local
FD's.  They would be more than happy to give everyone a couple of hour
"seminar" on the basic tactics and operations.  After all, you are
building stuff for them to use and they REALLY want/need it to work.

Fire apparatus pumps are variable pumps with the discharge volume and
pressure output being determined by the incident and the actions of the
firefighters/pump operator.  You can flow 100 gpm at 50 psi and then
jump to 1200 gpm @ 175 psi if you want by opening valves and adjusting
engine speed.  You can even get the pressure in the hose line to be
lower than the city pressure if you throttle your valves.

The point being that you cannot and should not treat apparatus pumps
like a normal fire pump.  There is a human in the way and you have to
account for him/her in your calcs....hence my very first comment above.

That said, as someone else stated earlier, it is fairly common for fire
departments to tie-in to a sprinkler and/or standpipe riser and pump at
150 psi and adjusting engine speed to maintain this until notified to do
something else.  This is used for two reasons.  First, 150 psi is some
pretty good water pressure and works very well for the majority of
sprinkler systems.  Second, from a standpipe point of view, 150 psi is
more often than not sufficient pressure to overcome elevation and
friction losses to the firefighters on the tip (nozzle). They can call
for adjustment at needed...and often do.  Fight the fire in the basement
and provide nothing less than 150 psi, when me and my crew get done
taking a beating from our own hoseline, I will come outside and use
whatever energy I have left to beat the pump operator into a bloody
pulp.  Conversely, if you are up to many floors firefighters can take a
beating from insufficient pressure too...hence the code requirements.

This is the reason you do the calculations...it prove whether your
design is capable of providing adequate pressure and volume with the
human factor in the system.  We (my engineering firm) always assume that
the water supply curve for a manual standpipe is 150 psi static, 150
residual, flowing the pumps rated capacity.  For most designs this is
ample...but you have to know what the pump capacity is (most today are
at least 1000 gpm...but not all).  If your demand is more than 1000 gpm,
you need to get the info from the fire department directly...do not
assume!

If it turns out that to provide adequate volume and pressure at the top
of the riser requires a tie-in pressure greater than 150 psi, make the
FD aware (in writing) and mark it on the standpipe connection so that
any responding pumper can read and knows what is needed.  You can not
assume that the first responding fire truck will the one closest or even
from the same town.

As for total water volume you have to meet the code requirements.  No
truck caries enough water.  You have to have adequate city water, a
tank, a pond, a river or a tanker (a "tender" to you west coasties)
shuttle or a combination of them to meet the volume demand.

I hope that helps.

Paul Sincaglia, P.E.
President, Firesafety Solutions, Inc.

And

Lt. Chagrin Falls Fire Department.




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