George and Thom, Here in Florida, we are required to submit a drawing for master permit created by the engineer of record for systems with 50 heads or more. We call it a "61G" drawing named after the section of Florida Administrative Code that mandates it. It requires the engineer of record to classify the hazard levels of the area, provide details about the backflow preventer, system type and area covered, governing codes, a recent flow test, characteristics of the water supply, and other useful criteria needed for layout of the system. One of those other criteria is an evaluation of the risk of MIC. The engineer is on the hook for it along with the other basis of design criteria, rather than the owner.
To address the rest of your question, owner's certificates are also required in some jurisdictions here. For example, here in my hometown of Jacksonville, FL it is required and I usually just scan it and include it on the 61G drawing mentioned above. That way the contractor gets it each time in a bid situation along with the design criteria so the job can be bid fairly and the liabilities and responsibilities of the engineer contractor and owner are each clearly defined. I think it is a system that works pretty well. Steve Kowkabany, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC 216 Seagate Avenue Unit B Neptune Beach, FL 32266 904-652-4200 Phone 904-212-0868 Fax -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: MIC test You raise a great point, Terry- I have yet to ever see an Owner's Certificate in a bid package. Is this something that others are seeing in more progressive (compliant?) areas? glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victor, Terry Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: MIC test George, We deliberately changed 13 to put the responsibility on the owner for conditions in the water supply that we as contractors may have to address. In the 1999 version of 13, if we as contractors had 'knowledge' that MIC was a problem in a given water supply, we were responsible for testing and possibly treating that water supply when installing systems connected to it. So if one contractor knew of a MIC problem, and another one didn't, the bids would be apples and oranges. The 13 technical committee determined that any information regarding the need for treating or otherwise addressing MIC or corrosion issues in the water supply shall be provided in the owner's certificate, starting in the 2002 edition, section 4.3. All contractors would then be bidding with the same information. We do have a responsibility to test for MIC in the latest editions of 25 (since 2002) if evidence of slime or tubercules is found during the 5 year obstruction inspection. Terry Victor National Manager of Sprinkler Systems SimplexGrinnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: MIC test -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: MIC test how are y'all covering the MIC testing in the new #13? Dump it on the Owner? Are water companies including MIC test in their QC monitoring analysis? Are AHjs allowing the relaxation of the Addenda? George Church Rowe Sprinkler _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
