George (and Ron),

Thank you for the info.  I looked up "Scandaliato" and while I see plenty of
links, the only one that was actually info I could read (after searching
Google), was about seismic in regards to fire protection.

The water company is supplying the equipment and personnel to actually
conduct the flow test.  I have no clue what they use nor if the equipment is
calibrated.  I am there to record and I guess, calculate the information to
use in my design.  I have done quite a bit of searching on the Net since I
posted my question and for starters came up with this site
http://www.firehydrant.org/info/ftest1.html.  Guess I should have started
there at the beginning.

I appreciate your candor regarding the advice I had been giving about
flowing both directions.  When flow tests are required, I am normally handed
the piece of paper and have no sense of what is done to come to those
number.  I realize that everything is subjective to time of day, season,
etc, etc and that 4 decimal places is a little excessive! <s>

As a owner of a converible, I curse every time someone in front of me on the
highway uses their windshield wipers to "clean" their windshield at
75mph when I have the top down.   Would hate to go by while a flow test was
happening! <s>

Richard


On 8/3/07, George Church <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There's actually quite a bit to know, and I hope to remember them since I
> plan to run one this afternoon, too- if they fix the main break. Since
> it's
> 2 miles south of my house, what a great thing to do on a Fri in August.
>
> If the flow is from one direction, you read static from the hydrant before
> where your tap is, or will be, and flow a hydrant past it. If direction of
> flow in a grid isn't obvious, you could reverse it, but if it is a big
> main
> and flows aren't taxing it, I wouldn't sweat it.
>
> Measure the ID of the hydrant butt(s) you're flowing, confirming 2.5" or
> adjust in the formula. Check if it is a .7,.8, or .9 hydrant, so you can
> enter the appropriate coefficient (and not have to drive back and explain
> to
> the police why you've got your finger in a hydrant butt on Friday night).
> If it's a .9, and FM is your job's underwriter, you'll have to use a .8
> coefficient and degrade supply. Fortunately, if it's a .7 you get a bonus
> from FM, it's still a .8 if you wish, but I'd still use the .7- just a jab
> at standardization of variables.
>
> Make sure your gauges are new or calibrated, liquid-filled to minimize
> bouncing. Might be too late to go buy a couple Hose Monsters, we swear by
> them for all sorts of things- we know, for instance, what gpm we flushed
> an
> UG lead-in at.
>
> Get elevation difference between your static/residual hydrant and FF of
> your
> building.
>
> Ask the water co what their tank elevation was during the test, what
> lowest
> tank gradient is, and subtract the elevation pressure from both static and
> residual points on your curve- that's the worst your supply should get
> (except the zillion other things like a new bottling plant that can affect
> it in the future).
>
> The pitot tube I assume you're using should be held half the diameter away
> from the opening when taking readings, and you need to bleed the air out
> of
> the zone between the tip and the gauge- that's what that little bleeder
> valve is for.
>
> Wear rubbers or boots. Let the water co guy open and close the hydrant.
> Don't rip up crops. Don't attach a hose monster directly to a hydrant, it
> needs some hose for accuracy and sometimes they start spinning on the
> hydrant - leading to a large amount of water on your head -repeatedly. We
> found this can cause severe abdominal distress to young design managers
> witnessing this, plus its cold when you walk in a store to get coffee
> cause
> you're soaked on the way home. Watch where the puddles form so you don't
> get
> drenched by passing traffic. Be prepared to laugh if a convertible drives
> thru it. Obviously, 30+ years of water test war stories could add a lot to
> this, but I need to get some stuff dome before going to mine.
>
> Finally- enjoy being out of the office and playing with static and dynamic
> energy.
>
> glc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard
> Lindner
> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:46 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Proper Flow Test Recording
>
> In order to get a flow test done for a project, the local water utility
> will
> perform the flow test but we need to be present to "record the numbers".
> Being that I have never had to do this, I wanted to ask the group for
> their
> thoughts and recommendations of what is considered "standard operating
> procedure".
>
> I have already printed out a copy of AFSA's "Flow Test Information Sheet".
> I can pretty much figure out where to put most of the "info" but would
> appreciate any pointers, methods, etc that others use.  What should I be
> looking for, what should I be asking for, etc.
>
> One item that I was told a while back when requesting a flow test was to
> ask
> for the system to be tested both directions, ie, read static on hydrant 1,
> residual on hyd 2 and then switch everything around to then be able to
> static hyd 2, residual hyd 1.  Guess my question is..  is that necessary
> or
> just overkill and a waste of time?
>
> Appreciate any pointers.
>
> Richard
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