If the owner is a lawyer, don't take a chance, recommend a 13 system.
Remember to dot your i's and cross your t's. Also, you might need a good fat
safety factor.

Tony  

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Sent: October 20, 2007 5:20 PM
To: Todd Williams - FPDC
Subject: Re[2]: 13R Tank and Pump

Hello Todd,

Saturday, October 20, 2007, 6:55:34 PM, you wrote:

> Charles,

> I would think the 2 story log cabins would seem to fall under 13D. 
> The bunkhouse could go either way; it may depend on the local Code. 
> Is the other unit a common kitchen and dining room? If so, that would 
> fall under the definition of "outside the dwelling unit" and may need 
> to be protected as 13. Sounds like a little code research needs to be
done.

The unit with the kitchen is for the "Adults" to stay in, Kids get the other
units. The kitchen is not much larger than mine at home.

> Several years back, I did a 13R system where we used a pump and fabric 
> tank in the basement. We needed to go to a fairly large tank to meet 
> the duration. This unit came in pieces, could be brought into a man 
> door and assembled on site. Worked out OK. If you'd like some info, 
> let me know and I'll dig through my archives and find it.

Well we don't have any basements. I would be interested in what you used. My
main concern is the use of 1 pump/tank setup for all the buildings.

> This sounds like something similar to Camp Crystal Lake from the 
> "Friday the 13th" movies. Beware of guys in goalie masks.

Well the Lake is a bit farther away, I'm not worried about the goalie mask,
The owner is a Lawyer....

> Todd


> At 12:38 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
>>Hello sprinklerforum,

>>         This is going to be an interesting scenario. I am looking at 
>> my first 13D or 13R  (The local AHJ is not sure what to call it)
>> system(s) with a storage tank and pump. There will be a total of 4 
>> residential buildings supplied by this pump and tank.

>>         There will be a pair of 2-story log cabins about 30' x 35' 
>> setup like a duplex (1 unit per floor).

>>         There will be a 2 bedroom, kitchen, dining room log cabin 
>> building about 30' x 45'.

>>         There will be a "bunkhouse" log cabin building about about 
>> 35' x 85'.

>>         Centrally located Pump/Tank house for power reasons 
>> (Genset). The tank will be refilled from on site wells.     Can I 
>> count the inflow rate from the wells against my stored water 
>> requirements for the duration time? If so, Do the wells need to be 
>> powered from a Genset?

>>I have seen the following pumps advertised and am looking for what has 
>>worked good and what hasn't?

>>A-C Fire Pump has a 13D unit

>>The D System has a 13D pump & control and a 13R control without pump.

>>Advanced Fire Technology, Inc has a 13D and a 13R, Even a 13R pump 
>>with Genset Transfer Switch.

>>I know there are others out there (I hope). I am open to any and all 
>>suggestions

>>Thanks

>>--
>>Best regards,
>>Charles Thurston
>>Coastal Fire Protection
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> Todd G. Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, Connecticut
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