This guy is off his rocker!

I am on an NFPA committee and while some in NFPA think the organization 
has more power than it does, the committees are made up of different 
interests.  They were intentionally set up that way to prevent 
manufacturers, installers, fire service, users, etc. from intentionally or 
unintentionally instituting their own self interests.  Furthermore, codes 
and standards and even the ICC series are not even law unless adopted by 
the various state and local governments.  I would be the first to agree 
that many of the codes and standards are not ideal, but they are 
considerably better than nothing.  As far as being the primary creator of 
codes, I guess he doesn't know about the general failure of NFPA 5000.

Maybe I'm naïve, but listed sprinklers, nozzles, fire pumps, etc. have all 
been stringently tested to demonstrate that they worked.  Can't imagine 
someone successfully designing a system from scratch.  Without using 
established standards, does this guy plan on designing his own systems to 
successfully extinguish fires based on his own calculations of the fire 
loads, RTIs, 

I can't understand the part about NFPA 13 being structured to prevent 
plumbing contractors from doing sprinkler installations.  If they're 
licensed, they can do it.  Same thing with sprinkler contractors doing 
plumbing work - if they're licensed they can do it.  Working for an 
engineering/construction firm, I'm much more concerned with whether or not 
someone knows what they're doing.  Craig and I once ran into a situation 
where non-sprinkler contractors treated the sprinklers on branch lines on 
a drawing like P & IDs.  Some heads were 2 ft. apart; others were 13 ft.

As far as a $.35/sq.ft. installation - no friggin way.   Even the 
$2.88/sq.ft. is pretty decent in most areas.  I would be very interested 
in the final cost at the UK Medical Center.  Did he used those abhorrent 
NFPA standards in his design?  Did he do all the calculations by hand, 
find his own non-listed sprinklers, determine his own nonstandard orifice 
sizes, etc.?  He surely didn't invent everything from scratch. 

With respect to the insurance savings of a "properly priced" systems, I 
beg to differ with him.  I can't even tell you the number of times I have 
been involved in a multi-million dollar projects, where costs are so 
tight, that the clients project team has a certain capital budget to work 
with and cannot even look at savings done the road to justify increasing a 
project's initial capital costs.  It's not that they don't want to, but 
their hands are tied. 

It's also abhorrent that he would even state that NFPA and IAFC are the 
cause of the nightclub fire.


James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET/occasional BSer
Fluor Corporation
100 Fluor Daniel Drive - C104F
Greenville, SC 29607
864.281.5149
864.281.4916(Fax)





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Yes, Bobby, the whole link didn't highlight:

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Matt,

Are you talking about link;  "The National Sprinkler Code is a Licence
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Extort"

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