All the pipes I worked on onboard various Navy ships were 90/10 copper
nickel.. Do not know if this solves the magnetic issue though...

R/

Matt 

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Craig....just make sure the pipe is "listed" as sprinkler piping.  We do
many docks here and its like pulling teeth.

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What if you ran plastic, CPVC is approved for fire protection above
grade per NFPA 13.  See 6.3 of NFPA 13, 2007.






Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
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I am installing a dry pipe system (no sprinklers) supplying four hose
valves on a pier.

The dry pipe valve assembly is located in a heated area.  Extending out
from the dry pipe valve assembly  is 6" galvanized steel pipe.  The
steel pipe is routed below the pier out to the  location of four hose
valves.

The pier is used for Deperming ships, submarines.

Deperming is a procedure for erasing the permanent magnetism from ships
and submarines<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarines> to
camouflage<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camouflage> them against
magnetic detection vessels and enemy marine
mines<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_mines>.

Anyway, there is about a 200' section of the pier that requires that all
materials be non-magnetic.

*        Galvanized steel pipe that NAVY specified obviously want work.

*        CPVC plastic pipe will not work because installing dry system -
correct on this right?

*        Provided them pricing for stainless steel, copper, brass and
now they want pricing for Aluminum,.

So a few questions

o   Ever used aluminum pipe for sprinkler installations?

o   Is there some other pipe type that I am not thinking about

Help would be most appreciated.

Rick E. Green
District Manager
East Coast Fire Protection, Inc.
1113 Cavalier Boulevard
Chesapeake, Virginia 23323
757/485-7486(p), 757/295-0956(direct), 757/328-0131(cell)
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