Justin: Don't believe him - I think he got into the party supplies again. Um Geo? You should know better than to run that smack.
For those not in the know, both George and I work with our wives. Both of us married up - WAY up. Don't know about Mrs. Church, but Mrs. Leyton doesn't like to shop; offer my partner $3K to go shopping and she'll end up in London at the Charger game and I'll be at home gluing pipe. Mrs. Church likes to shop but is very suspicious of Mr. Church - methinks a better strategy is to put the wife in charge of the sprinkler project. It may drive the designer nuts but every sprinkler will "just so". Steve Leyton Protection Design & Consulting San Diego, CA -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Reid Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter Yes Beverly Hills has been a temporary base of operations for us to date. Stay tuned for our not so glorious Van Nuys office opening this next week. Your strategy is notable nonetheless...thanks :) Justin D. Reid, P.E. RLH Fire Protection 468 N. Camden Dr. Beverly Hills, CA 90210 213-798-0251 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2008, at 3:58 PM, "George Church" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Beverly Hills, eh? > Just celebrated 10 yrs of working side by side with my wife- and she > has the > checkbooks (corp and pers- and maybe some I don't know about!). > Here's my strategy for ya: > > If it'll cost $4,000 to install sprinklers, tell her its $2k and > give her > $3k to go shopping. While that'll only keep her away for 20 minutes in > Beverly Hills, she'll be happy until she discovers what you sold off > of hers > for the other 2k :) > > And maybe she'll just acknowledge the offer and not take you up on > it. Sure > she will. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Justin Reid > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter > > Yes, I have not informed my wife of my retrofit plans yet. I will > cross > that bridge closer to POJ date :). > > Justin D. Reid, P.E. > Project Engineer > RLH Fire Protection > 468 N. Camden Dr. #290L > Beverly Hills, CA 90210 > Office: (310) 601-3013 > Cell: (213) 798-0251 > Fax: (866) 871-2237 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George > Church > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter > > Oh, believe me I understand your predicament. > > I'm not saying all spkr geeks like us HAVE to have spkrs in our homes. > > My point was to NOT have a great oratory defused by the simple > question > I'd > ask if I was a home builder deadset (pun intended) on torpedoing a > spkr > guy's testimony. It shows you walk the walk (or live in a new house). > > I'd heard a horror story about a very dedicated spkr guy in FL that > fought > and lost a battle with his new home builder to allow him to install > res > AS > in his new house. Mine were in when I bought a house from a spkr guy > when we > also bought his spkr co assets. Otherwise it'd still be in rough-in > phase, > and I'd be divorced. Heck, it'd be in design, that black hole where > jobs > go > until just before POJ (pipe on job) when all of the sudden the job > emerges, > and simultaneously goes to approval, coordination and fab. Maybe not > in > that > sequence :) since it takes a week to get the fab done :) > > I'd guess if you were to build today, they'd let you install > anything if > they just got a chance to build a house. Hope we can all pull together > behind our new president and get this all back on track soon. > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin > Reid > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:52 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter > > "To add credibility, its imperative that if you're going to speak for > residential AS in SFDs, you live in a sprinklered house." > > In response to the above statement. > > I recently purchased a home which did not have fire sprinklers > installed. I have not (yet) installed fire sprinklers in my home; > but, I > support the passing of residential fire sprinklers in the IRC. > > The IRC will only require sprinkler installation in NEW single family > dwellings (SFDs). It is much more cost effective to install fire > sprinklers in new construction when all of the walls are open and all > areas of the home are easily accessible. The monetary cost difference > for retrofitting a house with sprinklers is sometimes more than double > the cost to install them when the house is being constructed. > > Take my case for example. The long-term plan for my house is to > install > fire sprinklers. However, when I do, it is going to be a royal pain in > the B. There are areas where I am going to have to pull out drywall > and > (because I have a two-story house) tear up the floor in some areas as > well. After all the floor repairs, drywall dust cleanup and painting > is > done, I will have fire sprinklers in my house. I could see how this > would deter your everyday household from retrofitting fire sprinklers > into their home. > > It is for this reason that the new code requirement IS so important. > If > the fire sprinklers had been installed when my house was being > constructed, then their much lower cost would have been lumped into my > 30 year loan. Now, the installation will cost more and would be on a > separate loan. > > Based on this, I think I am still credible for wanting this > requirement > to pass even though I do not have them in my existing home. My > support > of the new requirement is so that future homeowners will not have to > wrestle with the retrofit decision versus having them installed with > the > original construction. > > Respectfully submitted, > > Justin D. Reid, P.E. > Project Engineer > RLH Fire Protection > 468 N. Camden Dr. #290L > Beverly Hills, CA 90210 > Office: (310) 601-3013 > Cell: (213) 798-0251 > Fax: (866) 871-2237 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George > Church > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:50 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter > > I know Mark Richter from the Penn BOC, plus he's 3rd party AHJ on a > good > bit > of our work. My understanding was that the PennBOC group was going to > turn > down any outside funding to avoid conflict of interest; there was > sufficient > doubt that the rules covering conflict of interest forbade it, they > erred on > the side of caution- or at least in the email discussion prior to the > trip. > >> From our perspective as knowledgeable sprinkler guys, its tough to > watch > people continue to die in SFDs when we have the ability to stop it. > However, > its tough for others to believe us when we say its because we > believe in > protecting life and property from fire with sprinklers that we support > residential sprinklers- why would they believe us? Does this mean the > home > builders believe in people dying in their homes? Don't burnt down > homes > also > create additional work for the builders, so a like doubt should fall > on > them > as well. > > To add credibility, its imperative that if you're going to speak for > residential AS in SFDs, you live in a sprinklered house. Imagine > giving > the > most impassioned and persuasive speech, swaying those you need, and > then > having the opposing home builder ask if you sprinklered your own > house? > You'd lose all credibility if you had to say "No. Heck, costs too much > and > might flood the place." > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri > Leyton > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter > > I've been trying to send a post with attachments and it would appear > to > be too big for our servers. So, let's try this. > > Below is a letter from the Home Builders Assn. in Harrisburg. Note > the > big difference. They offer travel assistance if you share the view > that > "fire sprinklers should not be mandatory". To my knowledge, the IRC > Residential Sprinkler Coalition was very careful not to qualify folks > who received travel assistance. Never was anyone asked if they were > voting yes or no on any proposed code change. > > > > If you want a clean copy of the documents, send me an email off forum. > > > > T > > > > > > > > > > Terri Simmons Leyton > > PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING > > 8849-B Complex Drive > > San Diego, CA 92123 > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ph: 858-751-2930 - ext. 101 > > Fax: 858-751-2933 > > Cell: 619-871-8450 > > "Once every man, woman and child realizes and accepts in daily life > the > responsibility for simple fire prevention measures, death, injury and > destruction by fire will be substantially reduced." 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