Burton,

2006 IBC 903.4.2 "Where a fire alarm system is installed, actuation of the
automatic sprinkler system shall actuate the building fire alarm system" 

With that a) has a fire alarm system been installed ?, or is one required ?

As Jim referenced (Section 907.2.7 in 2006 IBC) the occupant load criteria
must be determined. Also is this strictly an M use or a mixed use ?

Lastly assuming that a manual fire alarm system is required, did the owner
take exception number 2 of 2006 IBC 907.2.7. and eliminate the manual
stations in a fully sprinklered building ?  

So in a nutshell;

1) Fire Alarm installed, actuate the building fire alarm system.
2) Fire Alarm required, actuate the building fire alarm system if manual
stations eliminated.
3) Check if any local amendments to adopted codes and standards in your
area.

Hope that helps 

John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
Red Bank, NJ

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Burton,

I've gotten into this discussion before with clients.  IFC-2006 907.2 and 
related 907.2.7 require the alarm system only where total occupancy 
exceeds 500 or 100 person above or below exit discharge.  If you go above 
and beyond you have to install per NFPA 72 and then ADA also have to be 
followed.  It is not mandatory per ADA to provide visual appliances unless 
they are being provided for hearing abled - every has to be treated the 
same.

If necessary, I may be able to dig up the ADA section.

James L.(Jim) Roberts, PE/SET
Fluor Corporation
100 Fluor Daniel Drive - C104F
Greenville, SC 29607
864.281.5149
864.281.4916(Fax)





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I'm embroiled in an argument ( technical discussion) regarding sprinkler 
alarms and I'd like to
confirm or deny my understanding (and position) Given an existing fully 
sprinklered building of public
occupancy say supermarket or restaurant (IBC Group M). Given an outside 
alarm is provided.

1. Is the interior of the building required to have evacuation alarms?
2.  Must they be throughout re 72 and ADA? Controlling codes are IBC and 
IFC land

I know we've discussed this earlier but somebody maybe me needs convincing 


C. Burton Ford
Designer- NICET Certified: Fire Alarm, 
Special Hazards, Sprinkler Design 
&Sprinkler Inspections
NFPA CFPS
Cintas Fire Protection-D-47 Mamber


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