Ed,

I think you're right about this but I think I'd take a "multiple
design area" approach with the same design area. Maybe calc for the
one or two heads that only open 98% of the time and then calc that to
both the pump running and not (who knows what the demand on that
pressure grid may be at any time and how your fire effects that?), and
then maybe calc at five heads, then at ten heads, etc. until I've
calc'd the entire design area(s). Of course I'm a glutton for
punishment as well as turkey. And on this Thanksgiving I'm thankful
for, among other things, the time forum members take to unselfishly
help each other with their knowledge, opinions, insight and
experience.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Ed Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Todd,
>
> Had a similar situation several years ago.  This particular building had
> multiple design areas ranging from light to high piled storage.  We decided
> we had to design to the no-pump supply data.  Using your example of a 650
> gpm sprinkler demand, what if only 75% of the design area sprinklers
> activated?  That's a sprinkler flow of approx 488 gpm.  If you design to the
> with-pump supply, you may or may not be getting the density you need.
> Difficult to predict since the actual delivered density increases with fewer
> sprinks activated.
>
> At best, I think you lose some of the hidden safety factors normally built
> into the hydraulics.
>
> Now eat lots of turkey - THAT will put you to sleep!
>
> Ed Kramer
> Littleton, CO
>
>>
>> I did a flow test yesterday where the municipality had recently
>> installed a new variable speed pump at a pumping station. The static
>> pressure was 67 psi. We flowed the hydrant and the pressure dropped
>> to about 45 psi (flow of about 500 gpm). Then the pump kicked in and
>> boosted the pressure back up to 65 psi at a flow of about 750 gpm.
>> The system I am designing is a 13R, so which curve to use is obvious.
>> However, if the sprinkler system design required 650 gpm, should I
>> use the curve without the pump or include the new pump as the water
>> supply for the design? Prudence may dictate that you use the supply
>> without the pump, but what if now a pump would be required to meet
>> that demand? I know this is rhetorical, but I'm losing sleep......
>>
>> Todd G. Williams, PE
>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>> Stonington, Connecticut
>> www.fpdc.com
>> 860.535.2080
>
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