Since we're on the topic, I have to add to the mix.  The last sentence from 
IBC§903.3.5.2 reads:

".... The secondary water supply shall have a duration of not less than 30 
minutes as determined by the occupancy harzard classificaiton in accordance 
with NFPA 13."

Since many of these high-rises have merchantile or a parking garage included, 
doesn't this mean that the required duration is now for Ordinary Hazard 
Occupancy - 60 minutes?

Regards
MK
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Subject: Re: Hi Rise Secondary Source ... again

Thom,

I checked IBC after posting. It says the tank is to be sized for 30 minutes of 
the "hydraulically calculated sprinkler demand, including the hose stream 
allowance". There is no mention of standpipe demand.  
I might be wrong, but I have never seen "hose stream allowance" used in context 
of anything but sprinkler calculations. Is it? Please let me know. Could it be 
that the code writers know that a hose stream allowance is part of a sprinkler 
demand calculation and that it might be confusing if they did not flat out say 
standpipe demand if that is what they really meant? I think that is a fair 
assumption, of course sometimes it seems like the code committees conspire 
together over drinks and with rousing laughter to, "make'm scratch their heads 
for hours over this one."

Allan Seidel
St. Louis, MO

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