Good point so far overlooked. There's also the dubious "saved
foundation" success that may have not been worth the risk of going
into harm's way. And no one has brought up the environmental
advantages of sprinklers--less smoke, less destroyed building
materials to dispose of, less dirty water to process and, of course,
less water used overall. And the Scottsdale less public money spent on
firefighting infrastructure (I suspect the savings in mains, hydrants,
fire stations, apparatus and firefighters is way more than a wash in
fully sprinklered, planned communities than the cost of sprinklering
schools).

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since we are offering up various thoughts and theories on the general 
> application of sprinklers .....  Regardless of how much egress time is 
> allegedly available or occupant ability to respond or even construction 
> materials & methods - there still is a fire in a building -  Presuming we get 
> everyone out safely and that eliminates the 'life safety need for sprinklers' 
> will we then NOT call the fire department to respond??
>
> Once there's a fire in a building there is another completely real life 
> hazard in play - the responding emergency personnel.  Some may enter the 
> building and be very close to harm's way and others may respond and have 
> ancillary functions - traffic control, EMS, crowds etc.  Regardless of the 
> specifics we can generally agree that a fire in a non-sprinklered building 
> will be larger than the same fire in a sprinklered building.  It's not always 
> the fire but medical emergencies or trips & falls that create the threat of 
> harm.  The larger the fire the greater its duration and intensity - all of 
> which increase exposure and life safety risk to responders.
>
> Personally I don't get behind the non-combustible and limited or low fuel 
> load argument as a valid application of sprinkler omission.  Maybe thats just 
> my narrow focus or perhaps its because I've been to alot bigger fires in 
> non-sprinklered buildings than sprinklered buildings.  The closer you get to 
> the gun - the bigger the bullet.
>
> Thanks & Happy New Year
> Dave P.
> Fireman first and always.
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