Ron said "(I suspect the savings in mains, hydrants, fire stations, apparatus and firefighters is way more than a wash in fully sprinklered, planned communities than the cost of sprinklering schools)."
Were these savings realized? Last I read which was a long time ago there was very little saved on the reduction in the list you provided. They never actually followed through in reducing mains and limiting stations etc. I will certainly say in the macro scale these saving are not being fully realized. Hell we still have fully paid stations in many departments that average < 1 call a day and plenty more that are < 2. As a pay-per-call volunteer I saw more fire than many paid guys in these parts. Chris Cahill, P.E. Fire Protection Engineer Sentry Fire Protection, Inc. 763-658-4483 763-658-4921 fax Email: [email protected] Mail: P.O. Box 69 Waverly, MN 55390 Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW Waverly, MN 55390 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: another fire - this will be interesting Good point so far overlooked. There's also the dubious "saved foundation" success that may have not been worth the risk of going into harm's way. And no one has brought up the environmental advantages of sprinklers--less smoke, less destroyed building materials to dispose of, less dirty water to process and, of course, less water used overall. And the Scottsdale less public money spent on firefighting infrastructure (I suspect the savings in mains, hydrants, fire stations, apparatus and firefighters is way more than a wash in fully sprinklered, planned communities than the cost of sprinklering schools). On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > Since we are offering up various thoughts and theories on the general application of sprinklers ..... Regardless of how much egress time is allegedly available or occupant ability to respond or even construction materials & methods - there still is a fire in a building - Presuming we get everyone out safely and that eliminates the 'life safety need for sprinklers' will we then NOT call the fire department to respond?? > > Once there's a fire in a building there is another completely real life hazard in play - the responding emergency personnel. Some may enter the building and be very close to harm's way and others may respond and have ancillary functions - traffic control, EMS, crowds etc. Regardless of the specifics we can generally agree that a fire in a non-sprinklered building will be larger than the same fire in a sprinklered building. It's not always the fire but medical emergencies or trips & falls that create the threat of harm. The larger the fire the greater its duration and intensity - all of which increase exposure and life safety risk to responders. > > Personally I don't get behind the non-combustible and limited or low fuel load argument as a valid application of sprinkler omission. Maybe thats just my narrow focus or perhaps its because I've been to alot bigger fires in non-sprinklered buildings than sprinklered buildings. The closer you get to the gun - the bigger the bullet. > > Thanks & Happy New Year > Dave P. > Fireman first and always. > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman at home.... _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
