Once a building is built and the system is installed, an As-Built left hanging at the riser - is the design then public? It seems the original design with calcs would be required to be shared if the fit-up is to be valid.

Garth
retired fitter

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Subject: Re: Plan rights


When pl ans are drawn by a designer with a contrating firm, the firm retains the copyright. If the designer is independent, it gets muddier. If the design contract specifies that it is done as "work for hire", then the contractor has the copyright. If that is not specified, then the person who did the design retaons at least some rights. This goes somewhat against the adage that when the contractor pays for the bill, he owns the plans.

Note: This is how I interpret the laws regarding intellectual property. I am not a lawyer and have never passed a bar.


------Original Message------
From: Jimmy Waite
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To: [email protected]
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Sent: Jan 8, 2009 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: Plan rights

I don't know the legal reference, but I would assume the plans are the
intellectual property of the sprinkler contractor.  Out our way architects
and engineers are getting really weird about sending out raw CAD file. When
they do give them out, the release we have to sign says the plans are the
intellectual property of they a/e firm.  Why wouldn't it go both ways?


Jimmy

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Plan rights

Anyone know who actually owns the copy and intellectual rights to the plans
we develop?



Can a GC for future work give out your plans to all bidding contractors for
such future work?



How about the owner?



Talking about work you completed long ago and now they are doing TI work.
The design of a sprinkler system is a creative endeavor.  None of us would
do the same building the same way.  I know in some cases one can walk the
building and see all the same stuff.  Probably nothing that protects those
issues.



It's a legal technical question if not exactly a sprinkler technical issue.
At least it's technical.



Chris Cahill, P.E.

Fire Protection Engineer

Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.



763-658-4483

763-658-4921 fax



Email: [email protected]



Mail: P.O. Box 69

       Waverly, MN 55390



Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW

             Waverly, MN 55390



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