and it doesn't mean you have a right to take that book and copy the pages of it; Google was recently sued for copying / digitalizing books and placing them online. I had a poor quality GC recently that sent me the payment application forms he wanted used. He had ran off copies of AIA forms and distributed them to his subs. Anytime I'm required to use AIA forms, I buy them from their website. But, since the GC gave me these bootlegged copies, I went ahead and used them for his job only (but I would never copy the form for repeated use). There are some sprinkler contractors that buy the digital copies of NFPA 25 and run off copies to give their customers. It's a violation of the Terms of Use Agreement, but is anyone aware of a contractor like the GC I referenced or sprinkler contractor with bootlegged copies actually brought to task by AIA or NFPA? The contractors that engage in this activity have lower costs than those that choose to do it right. Note: State of Kentucky (until a year ago) posted the AFSA Sprinkler Inspection Forms on their website. They wanted all contractors to use them. When I got registered in the State, I asked the License Bureau if they paid AFSA for these since they were copyrighted. Later that year, the state removed them from the website and told contractors to buy the NFSA or AFSA forms; company forms were not to be used. Now, I do not copy the NFSA forms I buy. But I'm sure some contractors do. Does AFSA or NFSA ever go after them? I doubt it. I think some attorneys would agree that if you don't actively protect your rights, you waive them. Forest Wilson Cherokee Fire In a message dated 1/9/2009 1:37:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes:
There is a big difference between public record and drawing ownership. You can check a book out of the library, but it doesn't mean you can sell the movie rights. At 11:33 AM 1/9/2009, you wrote: >Yes they are part of a public record, and as such you must provide copies on >request. You do not usually have to provide these copies for free.(Check >Local law.) Just as an adopted code or standard is public record, and copies >must be provided. That does not allow the wholesale reproduction without >compensation to be it NFPA or IBC. > >You as an AHJ must provide copies of "Public Record" Plans. If someone were >to use those plans from BLD. #1 XYZ industrial park to install a fire >sprinkler system in building 17 of XYZ industrial park, then the original >layout company would be entitled to compensation for copyright infringement. >If on the other hand, if someone got those plans and just used them to >identify the existing layout for a remodel, then there is no infringement of >copyright, and no need for compensation. > >Thom McMahon, SET >Firetech, Inc. >2560 Copper Ridge Dr >P.O. Box 882136 >Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 >Tel: 970-879-7952 >Fax: 970-879-7926 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Kettler >Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 5:49 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Plan rights > >As an AHJ, our records are governed by Commonwealth law. > >Under the open records law (at least in these parts), once the permit is >submitted to the AHJ it becomes public record. If anyone - media, >contractor, citizen, FD, etc - submits a request to see a Township record, >we are obligated to provide that information. They are also entitled to a >copy of the permit and plans if they so desire. > >Jim Kettler >Buckingham PA > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
