This is good. You have to use the manufacturer's wrench AND it has to
be torqued to a specific amount. Robot fitters with calibrated arms?

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Jay Jay Blocker
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I totally agree Dave but there is actually a line of text which hurts us 
> here.  I did some extensive research one time into trying to figure out why 7 
> lbs of torque was the requirement for tightness.  I was trying to figure out 
> if that was actually too much torque for plastic rc's compared to carbon 
> steel.  During this venture i found a small line in some manufacture 
> recommendation's that states a torque wrench is to be used to verify that no 
> more and no less than 7 lbs of torque is acquired.  It had to be written in 
> there by some insurance guy that doesn't do sprinklers but none the less it 
> is there.  I will look back through my files and see if i can locate it and 
> share with the rest of the forum.
>
> Jeremy S. Blocker
>
> Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around in
> awareness. --James Thurber
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David de Vries <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:04:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Bedbug Treatment
>
> Todd:
>
> This is a very good question that warrants further consideration.  Looking 
> back into earlier editions of 13 (like the 50's), there was a prohibition 
> against installing used sprinklers..  Now the text says only new sprinklers 
> shall be installed.  I think there is a difference in meaning.
>
> I can easily understand a case against buying used sprinklers at a garage 
> sale, not knowing anything whatsoever about their history (like storage or 
> installation close to their operating temp), and then relying on those 
> sprinklers to operate when they are supposed to, and not operate when they 
> are not supposed to.  But where you install new sprinklers, then remove them 
> temporarily for reconfiguring a ceiling or treating a room at elevated temps 
> for bedbugs, I do not see the same problem.  The installer knew they were 
> new, not used when first installed, and only he handled those sprinklers 
> since then.
>
> I have heard it said that torquing a sprinkler into place, removing it which 
> relaxes the stress on the body and then reinstalling it, will cause damage.  
> I have never seen any scientific studies that confirm that.  If this were 
> seriously an issue, would there not be a mfr's requirement to use a 
> calibrated torque wrench for installing sprinklers so that they are not over- 
> (or under-) tightened?
>
> There may be a separate issue for sprinklers with QR glass bulbs which seem 
> to be temperamental guys, but as a temporary installation in the bedbug 
> situation, I could see using standard response sprinklers, even though QR/res 
> sprinklers are required for the finished hotel.
>
> Dave
>
> David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP
> Firetech Engineering Incorporated
> 2715 Harrison St.
> Evanston, IL 60201
> Tel: 847-733-0944
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>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Todd Williams <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Bedbug Treatment
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 1:04 PM
>
> If you read the commentary in the Handbook (NFPA 13-2002) under
> section 6.1.2.2, that seems to open up the idea of removing and
> replacing sprinklers in limited applications, to which this might
> apply. Also, if you remove the sprig/drop/arm over and replace it,
> but do not touch the sprinkler, would that be legal?
>
> I wonder what the "bad experiences" have been had with reconditioned
> sprinklers. What kind of reconditioning did they use?
>
> At 01:05 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
>>I know what the code says but it seems wasteful to use these heads
>>for 24 hours and then throw them away. I got the feeling that the
>>profit margin on this job was pretty slim already.
>>As far as firewatches go, having to rely on hotel staff for this
>>does not make me feel confident at all. Especially when the
>>management wants this all done quickly and quietly.(hush-hush)
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pinigis"
> <[email protected]>
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:40 AM
>>Subject: RE: * Possible Spam *Bedbug Treatment
>>
>>
>>Installing intermediate temperature sprinklers seems like the most
>>sensible approach, but you could not reinstall them elsewhere because
>>they are now "used".
>>
>>Paul Pinigis, P.E.
>>Life Safety Department Head
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected]
>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas
>>Watt
>>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:21 AM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: * Possible Spam *Bedbug Treatment
>>
>>Hello group,
>>
>>Several months ago I was sent to remove the (12)sprinklers from a hotel
>>room so that it could be heat treated for a bedbug infestation. This
>>process involves heating the room to over 130 degrees. My instructions
>>were to remove the sprinklers and replace with nipple/caps until the
>>next day when the sprinklers could be replaced.
>>
>>I know in many cases the heating equipment is truck mounted and the
>>heating ducts are stretched into the unit to be treated. In this case,
>>the heater/blowers were all portable units. In retrospect, with all of
>>these appliances in this unprotected space in an occupied wing of this
>>hotel, this was a catastrophe waiting to happen.
>>
>>1) Could I have replaced the 155* heads with intermediate temp heads?
>>2) Could I reuse these heads for the next bedbug job?
>>
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