Could be that is what happened.  If NFPA goes back and puts all the RoP's and 
RoC's on line I will research this further.  Or it can wait until the next time 
I am in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and can spend a few hours at the NFPA 
library.  I am not confident that I will find the answer.  Sometimes these 
things just morph -- even non-technical editors do clean up revisions of text 
without realizing the subtleties involved.

Dave 

David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP 
Firetech Engineering Incorporated 
2715 Harrison St. 
Evanston, IL 60201 
Tel: 847-733-0944 
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--- On Sat, 2/7/09, John Drucker <[email protected]> wrote:

From: John Drucker <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Bedbug Treatment
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:45 PM

Could it be the ascension to positive language, i.e. manual of style
revisions ? 

John Drucker

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Vries
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Bedbug Treatment

Todd:
 
This is a very good question that warrants further consideration.  Looking
back into earlier editions of 13 (like the 50's), there was a prohibition
against installing used sprinklers.  Now the text says only new sprinklers
shall be installed.  I think there is a difference in meaning.

Dave 

David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP 
Firetech Engineering Incorporated 
2715 Harrison St. 
Evanston, IL 60201 
Tel: 847-733-0944 
Fax: 847-866-6255 



--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Todd Williams <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Bedbug Treatment
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 1:04 PM

If you read the commentary in the Handbook (NFPA 13-2002) under 
section 6.1.2.2, that seems to open up the idea of removing and 
replacing sprinklers in limited applications, to which this might 
apply. Also, if you remove the sprig/drop/arm over and replace it, 
but do not touch the sprinkler, would that be legal?

I wonder what the "bad experiences" have been had with reconditioned 
sprinklers. What kind of reconditioning did they use?

At 01:05 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote:
>I know what the code says but it seems wasteful to use these heads 
>for 24 hours and then throw them away. I got the feeling that the 
>profit margin on this job was pretty slim already.
>As far as firewatches go, having to rely on hotel staff for this 
>does not make me feel confident at all. Especially when the 
>management wants this all done quickly and quietly.(hush-hush)
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pinigis"
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>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:40 AM
>Subject: RE: * Possible Spam *Bedbug Treatment
>
>
>Installing intermediate temperature sprinklers seems like the most
>sensible approach, but you could not reinstall them elsewhere because
>they are now "used".
>
>Paul Pinigis, P.E.
>Life Safety Department Head
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas
>Watt
>Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:21 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: * Possible Spam *Bedbug Treatment
>
>Hello group,
>
>Several months ago I was sent to remove the (12)sprinklers from a hotel
>room so that it could be heat treated for a bedbug infestation. This
>process involves heating the room to over 130 degrees. My instructions
>were to remove the sprinklers and replace with nipple/caps until the
>next day when the sprinklers could be replaced.
>
>I know in many cases the heating equipment is truck mounted and the
>heating ducts are stretched into the unit to be treated. In this case,
>the heater/blowers were all portable units. In retrospect, with all of
>these appliances in this unprotected space in an occupied wing of this
>hotel, this was a catastrophe waiting to happen.
>
>1) Could I have replaced the 155* heads with intermediate temp heads?
>2) Could I reuse these heads for the next bedbug job?
>
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