Well I guess the questioning would need to look at the facility and  
are there any other options.

I am on the road so if 20 or 13 don't give guidance what would be the  
other option don't store that way?

Michael O'Brian
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On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Ralphy Henderson  
<[email protected]> wrote:

> But can NFPA 25 be invoked since this is a new fire pump going in  
> and not an existing one?
>
> --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Michael O'Brian  
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> From: Michael O'Brian <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: lack of suction volume
> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected] 
> >
> Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:54 PM
>
> Todd
>
> One that comes to mind was an old warehouse that the fm found with
> inadequate sprinkler density for plastic storage
>
> The incoming water could not flow 150% so it was tested to 100 % and
> the insurance was okay, the fm just wanted to make sure he could fall
> back on code.  Case was made on options and why 150 couldn't be  
> achieved
>
> Michael O'Brian
> Code Savvy Consultants
> www.codesavvyconsultamts.com
> www.inspector911.com
> Office: 313-618-6401
> Cell: 810-459-0116
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I am working on a warehouse which presently has very inadequate
>> protection. One of the improvements needed is a fire pump. I have two
>> options: a 1500 at 95 or a 2000 at 80. We can't go over the 95 psi or
>> we end up with a churn pressure over 175 psi. However, the flow drops
>> to 20 psi at 2400 gpm. The ESFR system I am recommending requires
>> about 1950 gpm, including hose streams (the fire pump will have to
>> supply hose streams as well). I want to use the 2000 gpm pump because
>> it gives me better hydraulics, however, I can't test to 150% flow.
>> NFPA 25 says "If available suction supplies do not allow flowing of
>> 150 percent of the rated pump capacity, the fire pump shall be
>> permitted to operate at maximum allowable discharge." Has anyone
>> successfully presented this to an insurance company and Fire Marshal
>> on a new installation and got them to go along? Any hints on how to
>> present it?
>>
>> Todd G. Williams, PE
>> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
>> Stonington, Connecticut
>> www.fpdc.com
>> 860.535.2080
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