409-18 Log #13 Final Action: Accept in Principle (6.2.2.3 and 7.6.3) _______________________________________________________________ Submitter: Thomas G. Wellen, American Fire Sprinkler Association, Inc. Recommendation: Add new sentences to 6.2.2.3 and 7.6.3. In buildings with storage bays 25 ft (7.6 m) wide, 12 ft 6 in. (3.8 m) shall be permitted. Substantiation: This is needed for sprinkler spacing pre-engineered buildings with 25 ft bays and to correlate with NFPA 13 Table 8.6.2.2.1(c) maximum spacing. Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Revise sentences 6.2.2.3 and 7.6.3 as follows: 6.2.2.3 In aircraft storage and servicing areas, the protection area as projected on the floor shall be limited to 12 m2 (130 ft2). The maximum distance between sprinklers either on branch lines or between branch lines shall be in accordance with NFPA 13. 7.6.3 Sprinkler spacing shall not exceed 9.3 m2 (100 ft2) as projected on the floor. The maximum distance between sprinklers either on branch lines or between branch lines shall be in accordance with NFPA 13. Committee Statement: Committee defers to NFPA 13 regarding sprinkler spacing requirements. Number Eligible to Vote: 26 Ballot Results: Affirmative: 19 Ballot Not Returned: 7 Burk, T., Carpenter, B., Krasner, L., Poole, J., Simone, J., Skinner, M., Walker, F.
Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Aircraft Hangar Question of the Day! I have an interpretation from NFPA that states the 12-6 is ok. Looking for it now. The next edition of 409 is supposed to adopt the language from 13 regarding this issue from what I was told. Greg McGahan Living Water Fire Protection (850) 937.1850 | Fax (850) 937.1852 | Cell (850) 554.3231 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 1:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Aircraft Hangar Question of the Day! 409-6.2.2.3 specifically states 12 ft. maximum on branch lines or between branch lines. This in the general section not the foam section. Under the closed-head water sprinkler criteria it refers back to 6.2.2.3. So how could you just stick NFPA 13 criteria in here when the Standard is pretty clear? For foam systems it's 100 sq. ft. max. but 12 ft is still the magic number. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Aircraft Hangar Question of the Day! 6.2.4 Closed-Head Water Sprinkler Systems for Aircraft Storage and Servicing Areas. 6.2.4.1" Sprinkler systems shall be either wet pipe or preaction, designed and installed in accordance with the applicable sections of NFPA 13 and the provisions of this chapter. If 13 allows it for wet systems, so does 409 as stated above, so since 13 allows the 12'6" in 25' bays so does 409. I believe your reading the 12' max spacing from the foam or deluge sections, not the closed head water sprinkler system section. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ray Vance Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Aircraft Hangar Question of the Day! To my esteemed colleagues: I have an aircraft hangar I am looking at and would like clarification on sprinkler / branchline spacing. I know what I think ;-) However, I would like the combined knowledge of all of you as to the actual requirements of the NFPA standards. The hangar is a 32,000 suare feet Group-I hanger with a door opening to accomodate a 36 ft tail height. The chosen fire protection scheme is Option-3, a closed-head wet-pipe sprinkler system at .17 gpm / 15,000 square feet and a low-level hi-ex foam system. The building is a metal-purlin building with 25 ft bay spacing. NFPA-409 requires a maximum 130 sf sprinkler spacing with a maximum distance of 12 feet between the sprinklers or the branch-lines. NFPA-409 does not reference NFPA-13 for sprinkler or branch-line spacing. Question: In a building with 25 ft bays would one be allowed to space the branch-lines at 12'-6" as indicated in NFPA-13 for storage bays at 25 feet spacing in lieu of the 12 feet as indicated in NFPA-409? 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