Whoa! You either Guess Or you calculate. Compare it to 13d and a bucket test where you find out if your guess on the supply pressure and pipe sizing was right- or not. But if you calculate in accordance with 13 procedures for calcs- by hand or program- you should be able to say you don't need a bucket test any more than you flow ESFRs in a warehouse to prove the calcs- you applied proper standard of care. Same with fluid delivery calcs. If you leave a cushion greater than the UL degree of accuracy, you shouldn't need to prove the water delivery in the field. And not bringing a 2nd DPV and 200' of feedmain on test day is priceless. Well worth the cost of the software.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: DRY SYSTEMS FOR DUMMIES Exactly but the problem with proving them empirically is that is after the design and installation. If you "guessed" wrong it will cost ya! Rod DiBona -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: DRY SYSTEMS FOR DUMMIES So you buy Tyco's program or you empirically prove delivery times. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Thom McMahon <[email protected]> wrote: > If I'm not mistaken there is only one program available and TYCO owns it and > the formula's that are used by it. > Rumor has it that the hired a Noble winning math. Dude locked him up for > several years until he produced the program they will now rent/sell you. > > No this is not public domain information. > > Thom McMahon, SET > Firetech, Inc. > 2560 Copper Ridge Dr > P.O. Box 882136 > Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 > Tel: 970-879-7952 > Fax: 970-879-7926 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince Sabolik > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: DRY SYSTEMS FOR DUMMIES > > Regarding water delivery time in dry systems..... > 11.2.3.9.2 The calculation program and method shall be listed by a > nationally recognized laboratory. > > Anybody know where the formula for the(se) program(s) exists? > > > > Vince Sabolik > Christi Fire Protection, Inc. > 11351 Pearl Road > Strongsville, Ohio 44136 > > T 440 572-7730 F 440 572-7719 Email: > <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
