The FDC is in the yard of a drug and alcohol treatment center.  Yes, the 
cement covered pipe is the underground from the FDC to the pit with the 
sprinkler line to the builidng.

I am not sure if we have a hole in the underground piping or not.  I want to 
try other remedies before digging a 5 foot hole in the ground .

We drilled a hole in the pipe for a ball drip because
1. There is no provision for a ball drip valve in the 581 Cla Val check 
valve.
2. All of the FDC piping I have seen has a ball drip valve
3. NFPA 13-2007 Figure A.8.17.2(b) shows a ball drip

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From: "Matt Grise" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 5:31 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Leak in FDC

> Doug,
>
> Just to clarify:
>
> This is a remote FDC? The cement covered pipe is the underground run from 
> the building to the remote FDC? The problem is water leaking out of the 
> FDC hose connections?
>
> Also:
> Why did you drill a hole in the cement covered pipe?
>
> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP

> Subject: Leak in FDC
>
> We are still having problems with an FDC leaking.  We replaced the FDC, 
> removed the ClaVal 581 check valve and cleaned it.  We drilled a 2" hole 
> in a cement covered pipe and found  one hole  drilled is the life span of 
> the hole saw.  Drilling the pipe makes a horrible noise also.
>
> But we still have water being introduced into the underground pipe.  The 
> cement covered pipe screws into a 4 inch galvanized pipe that exits 
> vertically from the ground.  We could have a leaking 581 valve, we could 
> have a leak in the pipe and are having ground water forced into the pipe.
 

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