....or clothes drying in front of a radiant heater ! Stewart On 23 Aug 2010, at 16:29, Ron Greenman wrote:
> What's so humorous about all this is that so many fire stations burn > down while the troops are away. Usually because they left the stove > on. So residential fires? > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: >> There was a fire house built across the line in RI a few years back (pre The >> Station) and sprinklers were not installed for similar reasons. Must be >> contagious. Maybe they are required to sleep in flame retardant Dr. Dentin's >> (I'm not that old; I've read about them) >> >> >> At 10:13 AM 8/23/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> You'd think the Fire Marshal would have explained he'd take the tradeoff >>> of >>> less fire/more water damage any day, and gone on about 20 GPM vrs 250 GPM >>> but- he didn't. >>> And the first guy to testify for the homebuilders in at the PA Hearings >>> was >>> a builder/fire chief, the one pointing out that if you had residential >>> sprinklers and your house caught fire, you'd have 700 gallons of water in >>> your basement. See- tat's terrible. Until you realize your alternative is >>> watching your house burn down. >>> We're doing a new, wood truss roofed fire company here in Central PA. >>> Originally had a 15,000 gal tank, pump, and full wet and dry protection >>> throughout. Now- after their variance was accepted- it has a 13D tank and >>> pump and not even a dozen heads to protect the bunkroom. See, if the >>> building catches fire, they can run out of the sprinklered bunk room into >>> the burning building where they'll get in the fire truck, pull it out of >>> the >>> building, stop, and pull the hoses off and put the fire out. See how easy >>> it >>> is to provide Equivalency? Since they are firefighters, we can have them >>> run >>> thru the flaming building on the way to get their turnout gear on since >>> they're trained. Not sure what training does to protect your body from >>> flame >>> on way to get turnout gear, but - they're trained and its been deemed >>> Equivalent protection to a full 13 system throughout. >>> >>> Sarcasm <off>, head shaking at those that should know better. I will not >>> be >>> able to refrain from saying "I told you so" if this one burns down. Well, >>> maybe just "DUH- what did you expect would happen?" >>> >>> glc >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart >>> Kidd >>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:38 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Another fine piece of journalism - NOT! >>> >>> George is of course, right. >>> >>> But with respect, the journalist appear to have been only quoting the Fire >>> Marshal - it surprises me to find that there are still people out there >>> who >>> should know better when commenting on the effects of a sprinkler >>> operation. >>> Wouldn't it have been nice if the first responding fire truck had been >>> carrying a wedge or sprinkler stopper ? >>> >>> Stewart Kidd >>> Cambridge, England >>> On 23 Aug 2010, at 14:07, George Church wrote: >>> >>>> Careful- the $1,000 is the damage from the FIRE. >>>> Damage from the sprinkler is what was EXTENSIVE. >>>> >>>> They'd have been so much further ahead to not have the fire >>>> extinguished by a 20 GPM sprinkler, they could have let the fire rage >>>> outa control for awhile before having the FD show up and drown it. >>>> Then the water damage would have been less than the Fire damage and we'd >>> not get bad press. >>>> >>>> We had a similar situation when one head saved a modular plant. I >>>> explained its tough to have a sprinkler system work with less than one >>>> head flowing, we really did the best we could. How would we know >>>> maintenance would let the sprinklers run for an hour, thinking they'd >>>> shut off the system when they hit the OFF button on the fire pump >>>> controller. Course it was 50 PSI city not 150 PSI boosted city, so I >>>> guess it looked OFF in comparison. Sure took a long time to drain, tho. >>>> >>>> glc >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> [email protected] >>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:31 AM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: RE: Another fine piece of journalism - NOT! >>>> >>>> $1000 is EXTENSIVE damage? Really? >>>> >>>> Craig L. Prahl, CET >>>> Fire Protection Specialist >>>> Mechanical Department >>>> CH2MHILL >>>> Lockwood Greene >>>> 1500 International Drive >>>> Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >>>> Direct - 864.599.4102 >>>> Fax - 864.599.8439 >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://www.ch2m.com >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>>> [email protected] >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:31 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Another fine piece of journalism - NOT! >>>> >>>> Bethlehem police and fire officials are investigating a fire at a >>>> woman's apartment Thursday morning that has been ruled an arson. >>>> >>>> The fire happened around 8:30 am at a third-floor apartment at the >>>> Moravian House, 70 W. North St. No one was injured and police and fire >>>> officials declined to release the woman's name, pending completion of >>>> the investigation. >>>> >>>> The fire was set on the floor of the woman's bathroom and while the >>>> flames only damaged a rug and shower curtain, there was extensive >>>> damage because a sprinkler was activated, Bethlehem Fire Marshal Robert >>> Novatnack said. >>>> >>>> Water from the sprinkler went from the third floor all the way into >>>> the building's basement and damaged other apartments and offices, >>>> Novatnack said. He estimated damage from the fire at around $1,000. >>>> >>>> - Pamela Lehman >>>> >>>> (from the Morning Call Allentown, Pa.) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:[email protected] >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:[email protected] >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:[email protected] >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> >> Todd G. 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