You lucky…. You dodged a public bullet. I just got to this. For Brad:
>From the MSDS: In the event of a fire, wear full protective clothing and NIOSH-approved self-contained breathing apparatus with full facepiece operated in the pressure demand or other positive pressure mode. At high temperatures or when moistened under fire conditions, calcium chloride may produce toxic or irritating fumes. Hazardous Decomposition Products: Emits toxic chlorine fumes when heated to decomposition. May form hydrogen chloride in presence of sulfuric or phosphoric acids or with water at elevated temperatures. Incompatibilities: Methyl vinyl ether, water, zinc, bromine trifluoride, mixtures of lime and boric acid, barium chloride, and 2-furan percarboxylic acid. Metals will slowly corrode in aqueous calcium chloride solutions. Aluminum (and alloys) and yellow brass will be attacked by calcium chloride. Conditions to Avoid: Incompatibles. On the other hand: Accession Number : AD0284026 Title : DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING TEST REPORT, CHARGES, ANTIFREEZE, FIRE EXTINGUISHER, LITHIUM/CALCIUM CHLORIDE BASE Descriptive Note : Technical rept. Corporate Author : ARMY ENGINEER RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT LABS FORT BELVOIR VA Personal Author(s) : Malcolm, James E. Handle / proxy Url : http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/AD284026 Check NTIS Availability... Report Date : 20 JUL 1961 Pagination or Media Count : 109 Abstract : This report covers development and engineeringtest phases for water additive charges, antifreeze, fire extinguisher, lithium/calcium chloride base. The report summarizes literature surveys and laboratory tests made. It is concluded that: (a) A solution having 20.0% CaCl2, 8.8% LiCl, and 71.2% H2O composition on a weight basis and having a density of 1.2265 at 68 F is satisfactory as a candidate antifreeze salt for winterizing water to -65 F; (b) Sodium chromate at a concentration of 1,050 mg/l of solution effectively inhibits the corrosive effect of the above salt solution on Al, steel, brass, Zn, Mg, and Cu; (c) Lithium-chloride solutions (approximately 23% LiCl by weight in water) are effectively nonfreezing to below minus 65 F and except for higher cost are as applicable for application in antifreeze charges as the CaCl2 LiCl mixture in solution with water; and (d) Dry packaging of salt charges including the inhibitor is feasible. Descriptors : *CHLORIDES, *CALCIUM COMPOUNDS, *FIRE EXTINGUISHING AGENTS, *LITHIUM COMPOUNDS, MAGNESIUM, CHROMATES, SODIUM COMPOUNDS, CORROSIVE LIQUIDS, BRASS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, STEEL, ZINC, COPPER, ALUMINUM Subject Categories : MISCELLANEOUS MATERIALS Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE Search DTIC's Public STINET for similiar documents. Members of the public may purchase hardcopy documents from the National Technical Information Service. http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=AD0284026 On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:51 PM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > I was corrected in-house > > Calcium carbide is what I was remembering incorrectly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Seed corn in plastic totes > > Isn't calcium chloride what I put in my lantern as a kid, produces acetylene > gas when it mixes with water? > While as a solution it might not be a problem until someone adds some to > refresh the mix- and blows the place up. > Out of the frypan and onto the cooking surface. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:28 PM > To: [email protected]; 'Charles Thurston' > Subject: RE: Seed corn in plastic totes > > Self toting totes! I should have specified ROOF slope. What do you guys > think about Calcium Chloride Loops? I am going to be away from e-mail pretty > soon til Monday- I want to see if this is a possible dent in the antifreeze > problem, or a total wash-out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Thurston [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 2:23 PM > To: Todd Williams > Subject: Re: Seed corn in plastic totes > > Hello Todd, > > Curb Stops solve that, And provide dispersal of the water at the same time. > > Friday, September 24, 2010, 3:18:31 PM, you wrote: > >> Much steeper and the totes will go sliding across the floor. 8-) > > >> At 03:11 PM 9/24/2010, you wrote: >>>The building slope should not exceed 2/12 > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Gregory Lindholm [mailto:[email protected]] >>>Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:21 AM >>>To: SprinklerFORUM >>>Subject: Seed corn in plastic totes > > > >>>I have a customer that is looking to build a building with 30' eaves, >>>storing seed corn in 4' x 4' x 3' high (open top) plastic totes, >>>stacked > as >>>high as possible (over 30' high at the peak). > >>>Dry systems, so no ESFR. > >>>We are coming up with Group A plastics, but it looks like the highest >>>that they could stack is 25'. > >>>What are we missing, or what are forum members thoughts? > >>>Greg Lindholm > > > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>[email protected] >>>http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>>For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >>>To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>to:[email protected] >>>(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> Todd G. 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