If only that were the case Duane. This opens up a whole new level of discussion which has been beat to death, revived, and then beat down again. I have started to find the old sprinklers, no longer made, and an old copy of 13A and provide them to see what happens. I am sure somewhere in the specs or drawings in question in this case, have a note somewhere..., "These specifications and drawings are meant to provide the intent of the project. Errors or Omissions contained hereon, do not relieve the contractor from full compliance with 13, state and local..,, blah, blah, blah,."
R/ Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] > >Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:21 AM > >To: '[email protected]' > >Subject: RE: @#*% Hose Stations > > > >Put the 'ball' back into the hands that wrote the specs. A/E's need to > >be held responsible more for their work, or lack thereof. Seems like > >A/Es are let off the hook too often and the subcontractors are called to > >clean up the mess. Owners are paying for their services and should > >receive what they pay for. Why is it the subcontractor is always asked > >to make the sacrifice? > > > >Portions of the codes are prescriptive based, however, there are portions > >of the codes that are open for an engineer/designer choice. These design > >options should be discussed with responsible parties before decisions are > >finalized. > > > > > >Duane Johnson, PE > >Program Manager > >Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor) > >Office of Research Services > >National Institutes of Health > >301-496-0487 > > > >"Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time" > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Jeff Hewitt [mailto:[email protected]] > >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 4:24 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: @#*% Hose Stations > > > >If this is not a design-build project, and the specs do not require them, > >even though the AHJ does, then I agree, the plumber that wrote the FP > >specs > >blew it. > > > >Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) > >Corporate Engineer > >Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation > > > >241 Hughes Lane > >St. Charles, MO 63301 > >636-946-0011 > >636-946-5172 (fax) > >314-574-6989 (cell) > > > >Fire Sprinklers Save lives. > >Can You Live Without Them? > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian > >Harris > >Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 2:55 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: @#*% Hose Stations > > > >I know this is a no brainer but any help would be appreciated. We are > >doing > >a warehouse system with ESFR heads, shop drawings were approved by all > >parties, Architect, Engineer, AHJ. The only comment was from the AHJ that > >stated he wanted (3) hose stations added, no big deal. We send the GC a > >change order for the addition of the hose stations and it gets approved; > >now > >the GC wants us to provide additional information as to why we didn't > >include hose station in our original bid. We explained that there were no > >hose stations shown in the contract drawings or in the spec's and that > >NFPA-13 doesn't require them. Apparently the owner is trying to get the > >GC > >to pay for them because he didn't consult his crystal ball when he bid it > >and should have seen that the AHJ was going to add them! I know we're > >clean > >from our end but was just trying to help the GC out, any ideas? > > > > > > > >Brian Harris > > > >First Defense Fire Protection > > > >11957 Ramah Church Road > > > >Huntersville, NC 28078 > > > >Phone: 704.948.3506 > > > >Fax: 704.948.3507 > > > >Nicet # 128476 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >======= > >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > >(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16540) > >http://www.pctools.com/ > >======= > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3327 - Release Date: 12/20/10 > >13:34:00 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
