I read exactly what Mike said in those lines. If it supply path is to
a sprinkler only it needs toe listed. If the supply path is to a
sprinkler with plumbing along the way it needs to be listed and it
also needs to comply with all the plumbing stuff.. If the path is
solely to a plumbing fixture it needs only comply with plumbing stuff.
You can't downgrade sprinkler requirements because the sprinklers come
off a plumbing system any more than you can use non-potable pipe for
the sprinklers that are supplied from the plumbing system with
backflow protection or the like separation.

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM,  <[email protected]> wrote:
> Herb; 2007 Edition see
>
>  6*3 condition 3. . . Piping connected to the system that supplies only 
> plumbing fixtures complies with local plumbing and health authority 
> requirements but is not required to be listed.
>
> 2010 Edition see 6.3.3.1 (same text  as above.)
>
> 6.3.3 All piping in the system supplying sprinklers shall  be listed and 
> conform to piping specifications of this standard.
>
> This is the same as condition 2 in 2007
>
> My note: not an official interpretation of a committee member bla bla 
> disclaimer required because I was a committee member in 2010 cycle
>
> Everything  before the sprinklers must be listed. Only piping off the system 
> to a fixture can be not listed by UL or other lab.  (And plumbing pipe and 
> fittings and sprinklers must have NSF approval for potable water.)
>
> Hope this helps. My internet is down so I had to send this with my phone 
> sorry.
>
> Nice to hear from you.
>
> Mike Cabral
>
>
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Herb" <[email protected]>
> Sender: [email protected]
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:13:03
> To: <[email protected]>
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: 13D Multipurpose Inspection
>
> Mike
> It's been a while since we've talked.  I have come across some interesting
> stuff lately regarding multipurpose systems and wanted to run it by you.
>
> I have plumbers and the mfg rep from Uponor telling me that it is perfectly
> legal and acceptable to install a normal domestic plumbing system using non
> listed PEX pipe and non UL listed (1821) fittings and tie it into the
> sprinkler heads.  They say the way they read the code (they haven't been
> able to identify the code number yet) as long as the fitting with the
> sprinkler is listed, the 'T' off the plumbing system is listed, and the PEX
> in between is listed they are legal and conforming to code.  This seems
> wrong to me.  It defeats the purpose of requiring the fire sprinkler system
> to be composed of UL 1821 listed components if 95% of the pipe and fittings
> between the incoming water and the sprinkler system is not listed for fire.
>
> Comments?
>
> Herb Schairbaum
> Blue Water Fire Sprinklers
> 253-279-3603
> 253-927-8781 Fax
> [email protected]
>
>
>
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