Well, there's that loophole in IBC about  not sealing the penetration where a 
sprinkler sticks out-
And if the head isn't concealed or recessed- and a recessed head installed 
flush is no longer recessed- then the escutcheon need not be listed with the 
head.

George Church
Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842
877-324-ROWE       570-837-6335 fax
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:24 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Plastic Escutcheons

If they are located on a fire wall, they must be metallic...
If not I have no idea.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Eric Tysinger <[email protected]> wrote:

> My understanding is that anything beyond semi-recessed is not required 
> to be listed. I have talked to a particular manufacturer who confirmed 
> this. If you think about it, once you extend the sprinkler beyond this 
> point, your are essentially just sealing the hole around the 
> pipe/fitting. In reality you are making it look pretty.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Tysinger CET
> NICET III - 108988
> Designer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. 
> Willis
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:30 PM
> To: [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Plastic Escutcheons
>
> I have decided to quote alum (painted white), with a stainless option.
> To answer your questions Andy, yes the 1/2" are listed. I do not know 
> if drilling them voids it. The problem arises in that I have no paper 
> document to submit to the state showing approval. The only one 
> available is for the 1/2"
>
>
> R/
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> Matthew J. Willis
> Automatic Fire Sprinklers
> Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
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> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [email protected]
> > >[mailto:sprinklerforum- [email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> > >Andy Johnston
> > >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:24 PM
> > >To: Sprinklerforum
> > >Subject: Re: Plastic Escutcheons
> > >
> > >Are the 1/2" listed?
> > >Would drilling them out void there listing?  I've see people use 
> > >the two piece snap arounds used but have not found a listed one to 
> > >meet
> code.
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> > >From: "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]>
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> > >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:59:40
> > >To: <[email protected]>
> > >Reply-To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: RE: Plastic Escutcheons
> > >
> > >I think you'd have better luck trying to source a stainless 
> > >escutcheon (assuming that's acceptable, which it seems like it 
> > >should be?), Vikings "standard flat" is available in 3/4 stainless 
> > >for example.  Seems like the listing process would be prohibitive 
> > >for such a small market when you can just make them from non 
> > >ferrous metal?  Not that being listed has stopped manufacturers 
> > >from making escutcheons which should be listed without a listing at all...
> > >
> > >-Mike Morey, SET
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> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: [email protected] on behalf of Matthew J.
> > >Willis
> > >Sent: Fri 3/4/2011 2:55 PM
> > >To: [email protected]
> > >Subject: RE: Plastic Escutcheons
> > >
> > >Yes you can, if they are listed, and are not for recessed or flush.
> > >Those must be listed with sprinkler as an assembly. This is going 
> > >to be food process...
> > >R/
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Matthew J. Willis
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> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > >> >From: [email protected]
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> > >> >Todd Williams
> > >> >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:53 PM
> > >> >To: [email protected]; Charles Thurston
> > >> >Subject: Re: Plastic Escutcheons
> > >> >
> > >> >What are you using them for? I don't think you can on sprinklers.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >At 02:49 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
> > >> >>Hello Matthew,
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Have you tried Argo,  Sorry no number handy
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Friday, March 4, 2011, 2:31:53 PM, you wrote:
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> > >> >> > I am having trouble finding ¾" style 401 plastic. Anybody 
> > >> >> > know if
> > >> >they are
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