Well, there's that loophole in IBC about not sealing the penetration where a sprinkler sticks out- And if the head isn't concealed or recessed- and a recessed head installed flush is no longer recessed- then the escutcheon need not be listed with the head.
George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Plastic Escutcheons If they are located on a fire wall, they must be metallic... If not I have no idea. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Eric Tysinger <[email protected]> wrote: > My understanding is that anything beyond semi-recessed is not required > to be listed. I have talked to a particular manufacturer who confirmed > this. If you think about it, once you extend the sprinkler beyond this > point, your are essentially just sealing the hole around the > pipe/fitting. In reality you are making it look pretty. > > > Thanks, > Eric Tysinger CET > NICET III - 108988 > Designer > Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. > 4370 Motorsport Drive > Concord, NC 28027 > p: (704)782-3032 x1751 > f: (704)795-6838 > C: (239)633-9703 > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J. > Willis > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 4:30 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: Plastic Escutcheons > > I have decided to quote alum (painted white), with a stainless option. > To answer your questions Andy, yes the 1/2" are listed. I do not know > if drilling them voids it. The problem arises in that I have no paper > document to submit to the state showing approval. The only one > available is for the 1/2" > > > R/ > Matt > > > > > Matthew J. Willis > Automatic Fire Sprinklers > Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. > 318-387-1134 Voice > 318-816-1087 Mobile > 318-387-1163 Facsimile > [email protected] > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [email protected] > > >[mailto:sprinklerforum- [email protected]] On Behalf Of > > >Andy Johnston > > >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:24 PM > > >To: Sprinklerforum > > >Subject: Re: Plastic Escutcheons > > > > > >Are the 1/2" listed? > > >Would drilling them out void there listing? I've see people use > > >the two piece snap arounds used but have not found a listed one to > > >meet > code. > > >Andy > > >The information contained in this transmission is privileged and > > >confidential. No reader may make any use of it's contents with out > > >the written approval of the sender. The recipient should not act or > > >use the information in this transmission or any of its attachments > > >without separate authentication of its authenticity or approval. > > >If you have received this in error I apologize please notify me so > > >I can correct my records. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: "Morey, Mike" <[email protected]> > > >Sender: [email protected] > > >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:59:40 > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Reply-To: [email protected] > > >Subject: RE: Plastic Escutcheons > > > > > >I think you'd have better luck trying to source a stainless > > >escutcheon (assuming that's acceptable, which it seems like it > > >should be?), Vikings "standard flat" is available in 3/4 stainless > > >for example. Seems like the listing process would be prohibitive > > >for such a small market when you can just make them from non > > >ferrous metal? Not that being listed has stopped manufacturers > > >from making escutcheons which should be listed without a listing at all... > > > > > >-Mike Morey, SET > > >Sprinkler Designer > > >BMW Constructors, Inc. > > >office: 317-651-0596 > > >mobile: 317-439-2695 > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [email protected] on behalf of Matthew J. > > >Willis > > >Sent: Fri 3/4/2011 2:55 PM > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: RE: Plastic Escutcheons > > > > > >Yes you can, if they are listed, and are not for recessed or flush. > > >Those must be listed with sprinkler as an assembly. This is going > > >to be food process... > > >R/ > > >Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Matthew J. 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