But if a jurisdiction has a adopted an NFPA standard as part of their code, say Washington adopts 2009 IBC which references NFPA 13/2007 and then Bellevue amends that to the 13/2010 edition (this is the case and legal in this state), and then NFPA issues a TIA or an errata doesn't that become part of the adopted code, at least in Bellevue? I'm thinking that if there's a typo requiring say a seismic brace with 24 feet of a change in direction and later an errata is published correcting the typo it would automatically become valid legally regardless if everybody but that one moron knew what the intent originally was. If you publish an official copy of the Ten Commandants that says "Thou shalt covet they neighbor's wife," then that is the law where that law is in force until it's corrected. I would think a TIA would be the same. And of course it ultimately rests on which party has the cleverer snake, er, lawyer. Thoughts?
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Chris Cahill <[email protected]> wrote: > Really it doesn't matter what NFPA intends. You are correct legally it > doesn't apply to older codes. Probably doesn't legally apply to the 2010 > unless specifically adopted by the jurisdiction. Jurisdictions usually have > processes to adopt law that don't defer to NFPA. NFPA doesn't make law. A > fire marshal can't write an order to follow the TIA. That's the legal > matter. On the civil side, like a loss of any kind, you the fire marshal > will not be issuing a ticket but the contractor will be served civil papers > by the insurance company that paid on the loss. There it is up to who has > the better lawyer and/or which side fights the longest to find out if it > applies in that case. Different cases, different judges, different > insurance companies will have different outcomes. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Antifreeze TIA Applicability? > > As I read the TIA's and supporting documents on the antifreeze issue I see > they all reference the 2010 editions of the NFPA Sprinkler standards. > > What impact does these NFPA TIA's have on any prior editions? If any - > > I'm asking because this state is currently using the 2007 editions under the > 2009 IBC . So when a TIA is issued on the current NFPA edition does NFPA > intend for it to have any effect on the prior editions which may very well > be the prevailing codes in a state / jurisdiction? My gut tells me it > doesn't apply to other editions unless they specifically make that > stipulation but that wouldn't necessarily change the science of the problem. > > Thoughts? > > > > Dave P. in NJ > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 [email protected] http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
